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What did you do to your Ranger today? (Part Deux!)


Could you have the driver side stub and passenger side stub swapped? I’m not sure if they’re same or different lengths. If you had both apart to change u-joints at the same time….

just thinking out loud here. I haven’t had that stuff apart recently.
No. Drivers side stub is longer (I checked), and I worked on one side at a time. Plus my passenger stub and slip joint were together in my shed. I still haven’t found the drivers stub and outer in my shed. That was my first thought though, did I screw up and use the wrong stub? Lol
 
This is why my truck is mostly stock with just some upgraded parts...
Lol, entirely understandable. I never expected to have a problem like this by using aftermarket axle pivots from a reputable source. Granted, my Choptop is pretty modified. Not like @bobbywalter ’s stuff, but a noticeable departure from stock. I’m ok with that and I’m ok with having problems. I’m just a little annoyed that I didn’t discover this problem sooner and wonder if it was also partly to blame for the destruction of the D-28 prior to the D-35 that’s in it now. That would explain a lot, really.
 
Lol, entirely understandable. I never expected to have a problem like this by using aftermarket axle pivots from a reputable source. Granted, my Choptop is pretty modified. Not like @bobbywalter ’s stuff, but a noticeable departure from stock. I’m ok with that and I’m ok with having problems. I’m just a little annoyed that I didn’t discover this problem sooner and wonder if it was also partly to blame for the destruction of the D-28 prior to the D-35 that’s in it now. That would explain a lot, really.

Measure the beam pivot bolt holes. Center to center should be about 14-1/4” IIRC.
 
I’m thinking I might take a video to try and explain it better. I’ll try to cover this though in the mean time. Frame and brackets look perfect. Dirty and greasy but perfect. The only thing bent is the top and bottom of the drivers beam where the broken pieces whacked it but beam is still straight. At some point I’ll straighten that and reinforce it, but it’s not my problem with axle shaft fit and I feel pretty confident about saying that.

I’m not saying the shaft popped out, I’m saying it was bottomed out at ride height and when I unloaded the suspension under 4lo and a heavy boot which tried to compress the shaft that was already bottomed, something had to break. Couple full circle clips from my U-joints were missing after it all and I had a catastrophic failure of a U-joint. I may want to pull the stub and shine a light into the diff and see if I mangled the cross pin at all. The slip joint section was so firmly stuck to the outer passenger shaft that I drove around like that for a bunch and when I went to fix things here, I had to beat it off with a hammer.

Beams were reinforced but no cut and turn. James Duff axle pivot drops, 3” JD coils and F-150 spring perches. I built the extended arms and pushed the axle forward slightly with them, but not enough to cause any problems. I didn’t count splines, but it does fit like it’s supposed to and I measured how far the stub sticks out of the diff on my stock 92 and comparing those measurements to my Choptop, they are identical. Stub and slip joint were together in my shed with a less than stellar U-joint, so I knocked it out and put a new U-joint in. I used to never mark anything because I knew what was what, but now post concussions, I’m regretting not marking things, but I’m pretty confident I have the correct parts.

In the pic, the suspension is close to ride height. It will actually probably fit slightly better at ride height only because the beams tend to creep in when you jack the vehicle up on any TTB. But, if I blocked the frame and let the suspension sag down, that axle shaft would have to be shorter not to bottom out (since it’s already bottomed out), because the end of the beam would move in an arc that as it drops away from the frame, the shaft has to get shorter. I’m suspecting the U-joint caps spun (I have evidence of that through the entire passenger side assembly and a little on the drivers side) and the caps didn’t fit really tight in any of the yoke holes. I tacked the caps in this time to eliminate that potential problem.

Oh. Hmmmm. Now I understand.

Check the left-handed weeblefetzer with a universal smoke shifter, and look for the pattern in the reflection from a bubble mirror. If it’s the Gibraltar pattern, the problem is clearly with the inverted fritzengruber. With a long pair of needle nose, reach down the hole in the middle and grab the plunski shaft by the left bolt hole. Be careful not to damage the left hand threads. Then, slowly pull it inside out. This will make it look like a stiefonkleeger, so be sure to keep oriented with the shadow of Jupiter. Then, while standing on one leg, hold the unit firmly with your thumb on top, and slam it with the biggest hammer you have. You’ll immediately realize that these parts are not your immediate problem. Then take Uber.

Hope it helps.
 
So… apparently I have a D-44 TTB stub. It’s the perfect length but it doesn’t seem to fit a D-35, lol. I also have a Hybrid stub, but that doesn’t help either. Found the outer passenger set for a D-28. No luck finding the drivers side set for the D-35. I didn’t spend a ton of time searching, but it’s likely buried somewhere. Really would like to clean out, fix and organize my shed before winter but it’s got to be after fixing some vehicles. Anyway, since I’m still out of ideas beyond modifying the axle pivot brackets or something, I knocked the outer off the other passenger outer set I have for the D-35 so I can drive the thing for now. Went to get things together and got stopped at the point where I pack the wheel bearings with new grease and get the brakes and wheel back on because the one bearing race is trash. Bearing looks ok other than some strange black spots. They rub off with some effort but look a little discolored even at that, so I guess in the morning it’s get a replacement.
 
Do you have a copper tubing cutter the size of the tubing? Starting the end of the tubing, use the tubing cutter just to make a 1/8” from the end, groove the tube, move down 1/8” and do it again, etc. Then when you tighten up your hose clamps on the rubber, it gives the inside of the rubber, something to grip on, instead of just a smooth surface.

Another thing you can do, is just take a pair of needle nose, and then two or three places at the end of the pipe, bend it out the tiniest little bit. The only problem with this is that sometimes it makes it near impossible to slip the hose on the tubing.

Hope it helps!

& That’s why I recommended a “junior” shed of miracles award.
A clever solution, but somewhat beyond my skill set. And you are right, it would be difficult to slip the crimped tubing into the hose...the smooth tubing is already a snug fit. But not snug enough, I found.

So I bought a 3 inch length of 1-1/4" threaded galvanized steel pipe at Home Depot. There is a smooth 1-1/2" section in the center. After spraying it inside and out with brake cleaner, I smeared Permatex Ultra Black into the threads.

When it sets, I'll stick it into both sections of hose, clamping with the ring clamps as before.

The engine is too hot right now to work on, so I will try this tomorrow morning.

Thanks for the advice, at least it shows that you know what I'm trying to do.!
 
A clever solution, but somewhat beyond my skill set. And you are right, it would be difficult to slip the crimped tubing into the hose...the smooth tubing is already a snug fit. But not snug enough, I found.

So I bought a 3 inch length of 1-1/4" threaded galvanized steel pipe at Home Depot. There is a smooth 1-1/2" section in the center. After spraying it inside and out with brake cleaner, I smeared Permatex Ultra Black into the threads.

When it sets, I'll stick it into both sections of hose, clamping with the ring clamps as before.

The engine is too hot right now to work on, so I will try this tomorrow morning.

Thanks for the advice, at least it shows that you know what I'm trying to do.!

I suggest you goop it up, slide it in the tubing and clamp it before the goop sets. Then you’ll have a perfect fit between the pipe, the rubber, and the clamps. Just don’t put any pressure on it for a day.

I’m glad someone else in this forum knows how to do stuff (except I would’ve found something in the shed of miracles, not going to all that expense to buy a pipe nipple).
 
Got gas in the '97 today and it said like 25.2mpg so that's a plus considering I wasn't trying :)

I gotta get tires on the thing so tonight after I mowed about an acre of weeds I went to work on the wheels for the '97 Ranger, sanding was taking forever so I went at things to get closer faster with a wire brush in a drill... got the beads cleaned and the back side along with some touchup on two wheels so two more to do then back to the aviation stripper to get the rest of the clear off, I was trying to be fancy before and not do the painted section but that isn't going to look good...

I now have a much bigger assortment of wet/dry sand paper so hopefully this weekend I can get some serious headway on this project so I can get tires...
 
I’m thinking I might take a video to try and explain it better. I’ll try to cover this though in the mean time. Frame and brackets look perfect. Dirty and greasy but perfect. The only thing bent is the top and bottom of the drivers beam where the broken pieces whacked it but beam is still straight. At some point I’ll straighten that and reinforce it, but it’s not my problem with axle shaft fit and I feel pretty confident about saying that.

I’m not saying the shaft popped out, I’m saying it was bottomed out at ride height and when I unloaded the suspension under 4lo and a heavy boot which tried to compress the shaft that was already bottomed, something had to break. Couple full circle clips from my U-joints were missing after it all and I had a catastrophic failure of a U-joint. I may want to pull the stub and shine a light into the diff and see if I mangled the cross pin at all. The slip joint section was so firmly stuck to the outer passenger shaft that I drove around like that for a bunch and when I went to fix things here, I had to beat it off with a hammer.

Beams were reinforced but no cut and turn. James Duff axle pivot drops, 3” JD coils and F-150 spring perches. I built the extended arms and pushed the axle forward slightly with them, but not enough to cause any problems. I didn’t count splines, but it does fit like it’s supposed to and I measured how far the stub sticks out of the diff on my stock 92 and comparing those measurements to my Choptop, they are identical. Stub and slip joint were together in my shed with a less than stellar U-joint, so I knocked it out and put a new U-joint in. I used to never mark anything because I knew what was what, but now post concussions, I’m regretting not marking things, but I’m pretty confident I have the correct parts.

In the pic, the suspension is close to ride height. It will actually probably fit slightly better at ride height only because the beams tend to creep in when you jack the vehicle up on any TTB. But, if I blocked the frame and let the suspension sag down, that axle shaft would have to be shorter not to bottom out (since it’s already bottomed out), because the end of the beam would move in an arc that as it drops away from the frame, the shaft has to get shorter. I’m suspecting the U-joint caps spun (I have evidence of that through the entire passenger side assembly and a little on the drivers side) and the caps didn’t fit really tight in any of the yoke holes. I tacked the caps in this time to eliminate that potential problem.




AYE....gotcha.


now that makes perfect sense...i was under the impression you popped it apart while driving it. and since what you pictured looked perfectly correct to me...i knew it had to be a shorter shaft for that to happen while driving...and i know exactly where in this cycle where it can be possible....and even that, with proper spacing and unmodded beams, it has proven impossible as far as i have experimented..but possible once you mod beams or cut the shaft.

the d35 shaft is 19.9. so that is an easy check......certain left hand side d44 shafts are like 18.x....but the slip yoke on these d35 and the other traction beam fullsize trucks are 31 spline...so a normal 30 spline and 31 spline slip shouldn't play well together...thats fact it glides right together tells me its most likely correct.

dont cut the shaft. or it will want to bind or blow apart in certain situations.

and i have failed these slip shafts with v8 power...lockers and big tires.


you have to remember....my ranger has a d60 from the amount of failures i was having with my ARB equipped 8.8 rear diff....

i had to do something to upgrade my rear axle and since the d35 parts supply was rapidly dwindling... i just swapped in the axles i had that were on deck to convert my E350 powerstoke to 4x4.


i had a high travel d35...with 17 in of tire stroke...depending on how i had it setup. and i loved it. i broke it all the time...but they are so easy to work on....i didnt care until parts scavenging became an issue. i still want to run MOAB with that style setup...and the rubicon just to see.


there are a few ways to do the spring c clip eliminator as i am sure you are aware. external and internal.

internal relies on retention of the plug in the slip shaft...

there is a plug in the slip shaft....normal people are not going to ever know that. idiots like me could find out about the mangled ass plug the first or second time we air out the truck and broke a shock........back in the day....i may have done that on a test drive.



so ...perfectly normal looking drop brackets often allow enough movement, especially with soft springs and long travel shocks to max out on the plug with no spring, let alone with a spring inside....these usually self delete the plug....then you can just get a heavier longer spring with a smaller diameter and make a copper cap saddle critter with pipe so it always rides against the ujoint body if you want...or just let it ride raw....


the limit i found was due to the shaft wanting to murder the ujoint....after windowing the beam for more down travel, was a bit over 17 inches with uncut beams...save for the window clearancing... and where i stopped.


so. thats the long way of saying your just fargin fine.... put it together and go get crazy with it...
 
to be clear....yes....your shaft will go past the end of the yoke towards the center ujoint at full extension. the limit straps should be at max hold 1/4 inch from the center u joint body...
 
So far today I've taken the wire brush in the drill to the other two wheels and have wet sanded 3 to the point where they're getting, taking a lunch/beer break since my hands aren't working good at the moment from all the sanding... shouldn't be an issue to get them all to the same point today so I can do the paint stripper step tomorrow morning then maybe get to the point of clear coating them...
 
So far today I've taken the wire brush in the drill to the other two wheels and have wet sanded 3 to the point where they're getting, taking a lunch/beer break since my hands aren't working good at the moment from all the sanding... shouldn't be an issue to get them all to the same point today so I can do the paint stripper step tomorrow morning then maybe get to the point of clear coating them...

My favorite is when the finger joints start locking up.
 
Used the 2011 to take rims for the Nissan over to the tire shop. It's one step closer to being legal to drive again. Something is squeaking when hitting bumps though. I can't tell what. Hopefully it passes inspection. I do have lower ball joints and sway bar end links on order but that is just a WAG. It could be the tie rod ends as well or instead.
 
to be clear....yes....your shaft will go past the end of the yoke towards the center ujoint at full extension. the limit straps should be at max hold 1/4 inch from the center u joint body...
Well, see, it would… but I welded the plugs in both slip joints because I was using an internal spring, lol

Oh, and the center pin in the diff does have a bit of a ding…
 

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