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cryo treat a dana 28 ttb?


The Dana 28 was (sorta) Ok when the ranger was planned
with a choice of a carb 2.0 or a carb 2.3

Bad things started happening when they decided to offer the 2.8 V6 and it got a whole bunch worse with the 2.9.

Hey, the last dana 28 was installed almost 19 years ago... the years have not been kind to them.


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i hear ya and understand that the o.e. usually doesn't add more bigger better unless they have to,but my original post questioned the feasability of modifying the d28 to provide uncharacteristic strength to the smaller,lighter unit.most say just go d35 because thats what they learned from either experience or hearsay(i think a little of both).i am simply proposing using modern technology to modify a d28,i am not suggesting just throwing a stocker under the truck and crossing my fingers.i think if the virtues of cryo where brought to this reluctant corner of the auto industry i think everyone will greatly benefit from reduced breakage and longer service life of parts.every form of racing has realized the value and being new here am really startled that not only is it not being employed,but looked at with suspicion.this is not snake oil or a gimmick nascar,indy,moto gp,areospace all have made this a standard in there respective fields,so much so that it has trickled down and is now a viable option for regular people like us.once upon a time iron pistons where the standard due to their high strength,now we do alot more with far less(aluminum).this is not a perfect analogy,but the best i could think of.for myself,since no one else has gone there yet i plan on cryo treating a d28 and wipping the snot out of it in the desert.either way,good or bad i will report my findings.i'll carry spares and trust me.............i will test thoroughly :D
 
the shafts themselves aren't the problem with the D28, the whole problem is the U joint size used to transmit the power, if the D28 used the U joints that the D35 does, you wouldn't see anyone changing them out... if you went out and had custom shafts made for the D28 to use bigger U joints to make the axles live, I'm doubting it's worth it... believe me, I like the turning radius and added ground clearance over the D35 as much as anyone, but am just waiting for the day when the thing blows...
 
I like the turning radius and added ground clearance over the D35 as much as anyone, but am just waiting for the day when the thing blows...
Um, the Dana 35 actually increases your turning radius. The wider stance of the 35 allows you to turn to full lock without the tires rubbing the radius arms and limiting your turning.
 
Um, the Dana 35 actually increases your turning radius. The wider stance of the 35 allows you to turn to full lock without the tires rubbing the radius arms and limiting your turning.

wouldn't the correct offset wheels give you the same track width?let me know if i'm wrong but the difference between the two is less than an inch per side.
 
My Bronco II has about 1" greater track width with the 35 and Explorer 8.8. I used the same wheels when I has my 28 and 7.5 in it.
 
i hear ya and understand that the o.e. usually doesn't add more bigger better unless they have to,but my original post questioned the feasability of modifying the d28 to provide uncharacteristic strength to the smaller,lighter unit.most say just go d35 because thats what they learned from either experience or hearsay(i think a little of both).i am simply proposing using modern technology to modify a d28,i am not suggesting just throwing a stocker under the truck and crossing my fingers.i think if the virtues of cryo where brought to this reluctant corner of the auto industry i think everyone will greatly benefit from reduced breakage and longer service life of parts.every form of racing has realized the value and being new here am really startled that not only is it not being employed,but looked at with suspicion.this is not snake oil or a gimmick nascar,indy,moto gp,areospace all have made this a standard in there respective fields,so much so that it has trickled down and is now a viable option for regular people like us.once upon a time iron pistons where the standard due to their high strength,now we do alot more with far less(aluminum).this is not a perfect analogy,but the best i could think of.for myself,since no one else has gone there yet i plan on cryo treating a d28 and wipping the snot out of it in the desert.either way,good or bad i will report my findings.i'll carry spares and trust me.............i will test thoroughly :D


And I'll tell you one more time the "modification" of cryo treatment will onloy increase the strength of a Dana part so much, as is stated by others it's the U-joint and "Ears" that are at issue. yeah the cryo will make the shafts "Stronger" but stronger than what?

Stronger than a D35? I doubt it, even if you have NEW D28 shafts
(which I very much doubt), if you are dealing with old used crap
(I.E. shafts that are already rusted/pitted) cryotreating them is
a complete waste of time.

Particularly to save what you are trying to save.

It is however your time to waste.

the difference in unsprung weight between a D35 and a D28 can be described as "huge" and "slightly less huge"

I doubt you'd be able to tell one from the other in a blind test.

It isn't like the 18lbs I saved on my 1980 Saab by switching from the 1980 steering knuckles to the steering knuckles off a 1987 this saved 7lb on
EACH steering knuckle AND gave me ventilated rotors and was easily worth the $1400 it would have cost had I used dealer parts to do it
(My $200 Koni's had to work a whole lot less)

And BTW, things have come full circle, the newest Catapillar diesels have stainless steel piston crowns. (the piston is actually an assembly that is held together by the wrist in)
the skirts are aluminum.


Um, the Dana 35 actually increases your turning radius. The wider stance of the 35 allows you to turn to full lock without the tires rubbing the radius arms and limiting your turning.

you got that backwards

The D35 DECREASES the radius, Allows a TIGHTER turning circle (smaller radius) you are correct that the wider stance does allow more steering deflection.

You are right, you just used the wrong word.

On a Bronco2 with stock rims and 235 tires I could rub against the frame forward of the axle with the outboard tire while I rubbed the radius arm behind the axle with the inboard tire

With the D35 and 235's neither will touch.
Infact 31x10.5's don't hit.

MY supercab with a D35 can actually make a U-turn in
places I wouldn't have even tried when the truck was a 2wd.

wouldn't the correct offset wheels give you the same track width?let me know if i'm wrong but the difference between the two is less than an inch per side.

An inch is a huge difference when all you are comparing is "rub Vs NO rub"

"Correct" offset wheels are by definition FACTORY wheels.

Changing the offset adds additional stress to what most consider
a "weak" bearing arraingement.

I run 235/75-15's on 15x7 factory alloys (at the moment 5spoke Navajo Rims)

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you got that backwards

The D35 DECREASES the radius, Allows a TIGHTER turning circle (smaller radius) you are correct that the wider stance does allow more steering deflection.

You are right, you just used the wrong word.

On a Bronco2 with stock rims and 235 tires I could rub against the frame forward of the axle with the outboard tire while I rubbed the radius arm behind the axle with the inboard tire

With the D35 and 235's neither will touch.
Infact 31x10.5's don't hit.

MY supercab with a D35 can actually make a U-turn in
places I wouldn't have even tried when the truck was a 2wd.
Yea that is what I ment, just got a word backwards.

My 31's rubbed with my Dana 28, but once I switched to the 35 I got no rubbing and much tighter turning. I can turn circles now around what the BII was with the 28.
 
while your at it, why not cryo treat the 2.9 heads, and why switch to an 8.8 when you can just cryo treat the 7.5 to be just as strong. lol.
 
if your going to run the housings stock, and you not going to be paying for fab or putting abunch of time in to fabing the housings,WTH, got for it.

I picked up anouther pair of d35 knuckles today to ship off, the kncukles in the box with a bunch of newspaper(just the knuckles and old balljoints) weighed 37lbs....so i was 7-10lbs high before on the weights before on the knuckles.

42 mph in a 7s is crusing, what course?
 
if your going to run the housings stock, and you not going to be paying for fab or putting abunch of time in to fabing the housings,WTH, got for it.

I picked up anouther pair of d35 knuckles today to ship off, the kncukles in the box with a bunch of newspaper(just the knuckles and old balljoints) weighed 37lbs....so i was 7-10lbs high before on the weights before on the knuckles.

42 mph in a 7s is crusing, what course?

open wheel car,subi engine,bus trans,20 inches all four corners.we were south of ensinada following old 1000 markers and playing around mikes sky ranch.
 
while your at it, why not cryo treat the 2.9 heads, and why switch to an 8.8 when you can just cryo treat the 7.5 to be just as strong. lol.

cryo treating 2.9 heads is an excellent idea,you could probably get it done local for $25 a head.pretty cheap insurance......lol
 

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