E-85 Gasoline

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Cornfed beef is tender, but flavorless

and I'm not "Against" ethanol, what I'm against is stupid people,
many of them in government, who like to deny the laws of chemistry,
thermodynamics and economics, in order to justify "feel good" programs
that are not solutions, but please the greenie's dilusions

I couldn't agree more! Wish I could rep you, but alas, I need to "spread the wealth around" some more I guess.

BTW, I prefer venison over most beef available on the market today, lol.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I gotta disagree with cornfed beef tasting better. Grassfed beef is some of the best beef I have had. It does take longer for the cow to gain weight but the end result is well worth it in my opinion. That is also why most people feed corn and grain though. They get fatter quicker which means their wallet also gets fatter quicker. Corn was never a natural diet for a cow though even though its been grown for centuries.

I prefer it cornfed, it may be being from the cornbelt it is what I grew up with. The western stuff laced with sage is a kinda cool treat when we go west but when we buy a quarter of beef from a farmer it is usually better than anything in a store (which is pumped full of salt water to add weight and flavor)

My point was they have been feeding corn cattle for a long time. I know my grandparents (both sides) fed cattle out on corn and silage and I suspect my greats did as well.

As far as venison goes, it is corn fed too. I know so because I can see it in the guts when I clean them. Somebody needs to tell the deer it ain't natural for them to eat it too but they seem to have no qualms about it. Probably why they are so prolific and huge around here. Its alright but I would still rather have a good steak.

 

[Lucifer sam]

I think you guys are a little off base on a few things.

The higher the octane, the more timing (or compression) you can run
= more power

But the fuel system has to be able to pump so much more fuel than with E10.

If it were more readily available id run in the lightning. cheap race gas? hell yea!

 

[veefer800canuck]

Ethanol has less BTU's per gallon than gasoline.

To get decent power out of an engine running ethanol or ethanol blended fuels, you need to raise the compression ratio to take advantage of the higher octane rating of ethanol.

But you'll never completely make up for the BTU difference. Energy is energy and you can't make it magically appear where it isn't present.

My 94 runs fine on the eth blend fuel, which is 10% or less. But that's just normal street driving. And I usually baby the truck because it's gotta last me for awhile what with all the repairs I've put into it keeping it in good running order. Maybe someone who was racing would notice a difference.

 

[adsm08]

I think you guys are a little off base on a few things.

The higher the octane, the more timing (or compression) you can run
= more power

But the fuel system has to be able to pump so much more fuel than with E10.

If it were more readily available id run in the lightning. cheap race gas? hell yea!

We haven't missed a darn thing. I run quite a bit of timing advance on my HP 2.9. I haven't played with my B2's timing yet. What you seem to have missed is that most of our trucks are not built to deal with ethanol and compression and timing are not something that we can easily change.

 

[Lucifer sam]

so if im getting this straight you guys are putting down e85 just because you cant run it easily in a ranger?

 

[6.2]

I see no point in e85 at all.

Lose MPG's lose money.
Why would I want to run that at all. In any vehicle. Even one that CAN run it I won't.

Ethanol sucks, even the 10% shit. I can't run that in my sled. Know how hard it is to find 100% non eth. Gas these days? Pretty damn hard.

 

[GoodOld85BlueBalls]

Ok, Octane........ (I have said this before) The lower the BTU of a fuel the higher the octane, the higher the BTU of a fuel the lower the octane and it is the higher BTU that makes the fuel more likely to cause detonation, and the lack of octane that can cause a engine to knock (Known as pre-ignition or autoignition). Therefore Higher Octane fuels won't always make more power and can make a vehicle with low compression pistons run worse and be harder to start due to the lower BTU of the fuel. Most modern engines do let you have a noticeable difference in the fuel you run as its management system will adjust to the octane/BTU of the fuel you are running. Race engines obviously need the high octane to stop them from coming apart,(high compression/RPM) not to just make them run better.

Now as for E85..... It is a complete pile of shiit and "LIES" that it is cleaner for the enviroment. Yea it will have lower NOx and CO, but that is because of the lower BTU of it (time and temperature above 1200F makes NOx, now your running cooler so therfore less NOx). But it is that Lower BTU that opens up another whole can of worms. By burning lower BTU you create lower combustion temperatures. Well guess what, burning at a lower temperature creates more formaldehydes, acetaldehyde, ozone and unburned hydrocarbons commming out the tailpipe, and that is the stuff that is making kids sick, causes asthma and numerous breathing problems. E85 increased ozone-related mortalities in the United States by about 200 deaths per year compared to gasoline. I work as an Emissions tech, I have 22 years in this trade, I have grown up in it, take my word for it, it is a complete coverup. I have an FTIR analyzer (uses light and mirrors I swear it's magic!) that can see this and it is really really bad what comes out the tailpipe of a car running E85. The Greenies and the idiot comercials are full of shiit about it. It's not a green fuel!!!!! It takes hundreds of gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol for Christ sake! Corn ethanol, produced in any quantity to make a difference in oil imports, will take massive amounts of land, destroy habitat and forests, and threatens the world food supply. Corn is food! NOT FUEL!


Mark my word and it is comming down, that soon we will not be regulated by CO and NOx, but by the CO2, formaldehydes and hydrocarbons comming out the tail pipe. It is just arround the corner as it is not about emissions, but about dollars.

Geeeesssssh! This E85 being cleaner bullshiit just makes me fuucking mad!

Ok end rant.

 

[veefer800canuck]

Not to mention that ethanol is a net energy loser. It takes more than a gallon of fossil fuels burned to get one gallon of ethanol into your tank in your car in your driveway.

Every time you transfer energy from one form to another, there is always a loss.

Hydrogen is the next big laugh for me. Where does it come from? Synthesized from natural gas in the presence of steam at ultra high temps (there's that energy input again) or electrolysis from water, again, a massive energy sink.

Burn coal to make power to split water to make hydrogen to power your car? Burn natural gas to make steam to take even MORE natural gas and make it into hydrogen to power your car???

You'd be further down the road if you just had an efficient coal burning car. Less losses in the system.

And we already have LNG systems available for cars and trucks to burn natural gas as a fuel directly without having to reprocess it to hydrogen.

There are no hydrogen trees we can cut down, nor can we drill for hydrogen.

Bottom line: there is no free lunch.

 

[3.0ranger1227]

There is, it's just too much work for the lazy people - human powered.


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[gw33gp]

Not to mention that ethanol is a net energy loser. It takes more than a gallon of fossil fuels burned to get one gallon of ethanol into your tank in your car in your driveway.

Every time you transfer energy from one form to another, there is always a loss.

Hydrogen is the next big laugh for me. Where does it come from? Synthesized from natural gas in the presence of steam at ultra high temps (there's that energy input again) or electrolysis from water, again, a massive energy sink.

Burn coal to make power to split water to make hydrogen to power your car? Burn natural gas to make steam to take even MORE natural gas and make it into hydrogen to power your car???

You'd be further down the road if you just had an efficient coal burning car. Less losses in the system.

And we already have LNG systems available for cars and trucks to burn natural gas as a fuel directly without having to reprocess it to hydrogen.

There are no hydrogen trees we can cut down, nor can we drill for hydrogen.

Bottom line: there is no free lunch.

Do you have anything against use sun as the energy source to produce hydrogen? Oops, I'm OT. Maybe we can use solar power to produce ethanol???????????

We learn by doing. Sometimes we do the wrong thing but as long as we learn as we go, good can come from it. As long as there is no serious harm in learning process, it is good.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Do you have anything against use sun as the energy source to produce hydrogen? Oops, I'm OT. Maybe we can use solar power to produce ethanol???????????

We learn by doing. Sometimes we do the wrong thing but as long as we learn as we go, good can come from it. As long as there is no serious harm in learning process, it is good.

The problem is that we are NOT learning, the idiots just keep doing the same things. Well, so what that it isn't working now... we just haven't been able to do it enough....

riiiiight.... that's like saying that if you smash your finger with a hammer, it's not going to hurt the next time... wrong, it will ALWAYS hurt when you smash your finger. One of those natural laws that doesn't change by repetition.

 

[naford]

We need to do something about energy. Drill baby drill sounds good but when you have only 2% of the known oil reserves and you use 20% of the worlds oil you have a problem. Maybe enthanol is not the answer. But give us a solution other than drill baby drill. We can't wait for China to do it.

 

[UpStandingMember]

I just want the lead back in my gas.

Engines ran so much better and cooler with it.

E85 crap is just that, crap.

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

We need to do something about energy. Drill baby drill sounds good but when you have only 2% of the known oil reserves and you use 20% of the worlds oil you have a problem. Maybe enthanol is not the answer. But give us a solution other than drill baby drill. We can't wait for China to do it.

That is an entire myth. A lie.

The 2% number comes from the currently active wells we have. That number does NOT account for all of the reserves we actually have. And actually, when it comes to shale oil, we have MORE oil than Saudi Arabia. Much more. And what genius came up with that crap that we use 20% of the world's oil? That's like saying I have two candies but I ate 20, someone must have really had some of that good public education. (Being someone who was in public schools I understand what they mean, but still, it's terrible wording).

The problem is the progressives/greenies/liberals don't want us accessing (much less using) the resources we do have. But they're fine with helping China and Brazil to drill for oil just off our coast. We just can't use that resource for ourselves.

And coal? Yea, we are the Saudi Arabia of coal in the world. So lets use it? No.... it's "dirty" so we have to close coal fired power plants. Gimme a freaking break.

What about nuclear energy? Nope, we might have a meltdown (never mind that current technology for utilizing nuclear energy is far cleaner and safer than it has ever been before, we're just not allowed to build or update any nuclear plants, thank the progressive/greenie/liberal crowd again).

So we get Ethanol shoved down our throats along with "hybrid" and electric cars. Never mind that the energy used to charge up your electric Volt just came across wires from the local coal-fired power.... wait, no, that plant closed... guess you'll just have to walk to work today....

And don't get me started on the electric cars. The chevy Volt (aka the electric Edsel) is prone to catching fire after being in a wreak and the Tesla cars will brick up (to the point that the wheels will NOT turn and it takes a team of factory techs to make it work again) when the batteries go flat. Sorry, that technology just is not here yet to make such things practical.