diesel swap

[Frank The Tank]

But advancing the timing and sliding the fuel plate, shaving the fuel plate, buying and aftermarket, or completely removing it does the same or better on a mechanical injection truck as it would to a VP-44 or CR cp3 application.

bothe P-Pump cummins, and the older VE (intercooled or non intercooled apps) can be tuned, only if you get to carried away with the smoke switch on VE's they can run away (on 6bts, it's around the 500hp mark with ve's)


12 valver 6bt's with timing, and fuel net the same fuel economy as a later (chipped/ as you insist on calling a programmer) vp-44 or CR

4bt's are not only tractor engines either, box trucks... run them for the power, and fuel economy.
and to pass emissions, there are electronically controlled 4bt's.
all my knowledge is from building 6bt's but all my friends are into diesels, and Coaltrain Diesel Performance (Richard, and Mark in Detroit that did my original turbo/ not luke and jordan at L&L diesel... our local boys) built a 450hp twinned 4bt for a customer. they are essentially a 6bt with 2 cylinders missing.


Frank

 

[bobbywalter]

nonetheless 4bt's cant be "chipped". i would suggest a 2.3 perkins and turbo it. lol i dont know much about the 2.3 but one of my dads friends has one and gets about 55 mpgs. imagine a well outfitted one in a 4wd? could be torquey and fuel efficient!

4bt is crazy easy to build cost effectivly. FOR REAL POWER. not bad on economy either.....


in a stock suspension truck that only hauls people the ol ranger
diesel is usable...can be turned up a lil....but power is not in the scenario.

in a big lift 4x4 the perkins needs to wait for a different project. 160 hp and 300 foot pounds is the minimum for me with say 35's cruising around town the lil 4 whizzer perky dont have enough sand in its pockets to do that.

 

[jaymegriffiths]

4bt is crazy easy to build cost effectivly. FOR REAL POWER. not bad on economy either.....


in a stock suspension truck that only hauls people the ol ranger
diesel is usable...can be turned up a lil....but power is not in the scenario.

in a big lift 4x4 the perkins needs to wait for a different project. 160 hp and 300 foot pounds is the minimum for me with say 35's cruising around town the lil 4 whizzer perky dont have enough sand in its pockets to do that.

undeniably a perkins is WAY underpowered whether the truck is lifted or not. i'd like to see what a person could do with a 2.3 and enough good advice and shopping. plus its the tranny bolt pattern that would make it a desirable swap. probably fairly easy. either way a 4bt is pretty wikked cool too. i'd like to see a 6bt in a gen 1 or 2. I, along with most of us at trs have seen the 6bt in the new body style but never seen a gen1 or 2. now THAT would be fun. some guy was in (either diesel power or petersons i cannot remember) with a 4bt fullsize bronco gen 1 i think. looked amazing and had it cranked up over 450 horse but had it detuned so it wouldn't break the truck apart. I think the 4bt would be cool, but if originality is what your looking for look for like a 3 liter mercedez or something like that. one of my friends has a 3 liter mercedez in his 99 F150 and it has the same amount of balls, plus gets 35 mpg. the old 4.2 didn't suit his needs as well, plus he cant "black smoke" people haha. the mechanical injection cant be that hard to do...(plus if it'll haul an f150 around pretty good i imagine a ranger would rip pretty good w/ it

Edit* BW how in the hell did you squeeze that 6.5 in a friggin ranger? it'd be tight as a nun in there!

 

[bobbywalter]

undeniably a perkins is WAY underpowered whether the truck is lifted or not. i'd like to see what a person could do with a 2.3 and enough good advice and shopping. plus its the tranny bolt pattern that would make it a desirable swap. probably fairly easy. either way a 4bt is pretty wikked cool too. i'd like to see a 6bt in a gen 1 or 2. I, along with most of us at trs have seen the 6bt in the new body style but never seen a gen1 or 2. now THAT would be fun. some guy was in (either diesel power or petersons i cannot remember) with a 4bt fullsize bronco gen 1 i think. looked amazing and had it cranked up over 450 horse but had it detuned so it wouldn't break the truck apart. I think the 4bt would be cool, but if originality is what your looking for look for like a 3 liter mercedez or something like that. one of my friends has a 3 liter mercedez in his 99 F150 and it has the same amount of balls, plus gets 35 mpg. the old 4.2 didn't suit his needs as well, plus he cant "black smoke" people haha. the mechanical injection cant be that hard to do...(plus if it'll haul an f150 around pretty good i imagine a ranger would rip pretty good w/ it

Edit* BW how in the hell did you squeeze that 6.5 in a friggin ranger? it'd be tight as a nun in there!

in a sas application big blocks and the likes of a 6.5 are cake, no shoehorn required....a 7.3 or 6.9 would take a little more work...but the weight/NVH is over the line for me. but be sure of this, if i had a good one to use for free or fairly cheap i would do it. say, if i get a cummins cheap enough to replace the old psd in my van.....it would be a safe bet i will put the psd from my ol van in my ranger just to say i did it.



the ranger is just an open platform to me, real easy to work with and a damn stout little chassis.

 

[jaymegriffiths]

in a sas application big blocks and the likes of a 6.5 are cake, no shoehorn required....a 7.3 or 6.9 would take a little more work...but the weight/NVH is over the line for me. but be sure of this, if i had a good one to use for free or fairly cheap i would do it. say, if i get a cummins cheap enough to replace the old psd in my van.....it would be a safe bet i will put the psd from my ol van in my ranger just to say i did it.



the ranger is just an open platform to me, real easy to work with and a damn stout little chassis.

i would love to see a 6bt gen 1 or 2. words cant describe how jealous id be.

 

[jaymegriffiths]

i would love to see a 6bt gen 1 or 2. words cant describe how jealous id be.

oh jesus. i've just been inspired.
http://therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52770
maybe he can answer some of the OP's questions!
o i guess this is still a 4bt but very cool nonetheless

 

[jaymegriffiths]

But advancing the timing and sliding the fuel plate, shaving the fuel plate, buying and aftermarket, or completely removing it does the same or better on a mechanical injection truck as it would to a VP-44 or CR cp3 application.

bothe P-Pump cummins, and the older VE (intercooled or non intercooled apps) can be tuned, only if you get to carried away with the smoke switch on VE's they can run away (on 6bts, it's around the 500hp mark with ve's)


12 valver 6bt's with timing, and fuel net the same fuel economy as a later (chipped/ as you insist on calling a programmer) vp-44 or CR

4bt's are not only tractor engines either, box trucks... run them for the power, and fuel economy.
and to pass emissions, there are electronically controlled 4bt's.
all my knowledge is from building 6bt's but all my friends are into diesels, and Coaltrain Diesel Performance (Richard, and Mark in Detroit that did my original turbo/ not luke and jordan at L&L diesel... our local boys) built a 450hp twinned 4bt for a customer. they are essentially a 6bt with 2 cylinders missing.


Frank

just curious how twin turbos would work on mechanically injected diesel? do they just function off the exhaust and a wastegate controls the boost? can you moniter them?

 

[jaymegriffiths]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CUMM...fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting
Items INCLUDED with engine: Injector Pump, Water Pump, Power Steering Pump, Alternator, Turbo Charger, Aftercooler, Intake Tube, wiring harness, throttle cable.

 

[Frank The Tank]

just curious how twin turbos would work on mechanically injected diesel? do they just function off the exhaust and a wastegate controls the boost? can you moniter them?

All 12 valves are mechanical fuel pumps........ "there are a few odd-jobs, that people purpose built for racing classes that aren't however"

A top charger and bottom charger....
one is a smaller turbo it spools quickly and pushes the larger turbo to spool and create more boost more efficiently. This eliminates "turbo lag" and cuts on egt's. Plus boost PSI is not I repeat is not....... power. It's all about mass.

60psi from an HX 35 (is not only dangerous) but is not the same volume of air as even 50psi from an HX 55.
I'm just using Holset style stock turbo's as an example.... I would strongly suggest an aftermarket.... because of shaft snap issues.
or an HX 35-40 hybrid is a good little mod that adds power, and strength to a 40 wheel inducer, the 35 wheel will spool quickly.
Stay away from HY-35's they have a 9mm exhaust if I am not mistaken they were on a lot of "automatic trans" equipped 6bt's and are very prone to high driveline pressure, and extreme egts.

A hybrid is a good alternative to twins when on a budget (they spool quickly, with very little lag) but when you get hot into performance it's time to upgrade injectors, fuel pump.... and get twins or a build specific turbo (I ran an Industrial Injection 66/71) a 73 exhaust would have been very laggy, a 66 too much drive-line pressure.

Take care.
Frank

Frank

 

[nccatfan]

What is "SAS"? Seen that mentioned a couple times now.

 

[Frank The Tank]

What is "SAS"? Seen that mentioned a couple times now.

I believe it is "solid axle swap"
it may have other meanings but that is what I know it as.

Frank

 

[nccatfan]

Ok, what would be a good axle to put under it? It's going in a 4x2. What has a solid axle at that width that I can swap from? Would that mean leaf springs or am I staying with coils?

 

[Beanmachine7000]

I'd use a EB44 if you don't know much it's the easiest... Stay with coils...

 

[nccatfan]

I'd use a EB44 if you don't know much it's the easiest... Stay with coils...

What did those come in?

 

[Beanmachine7000]

Lol... EB = Early Bronco... Look in the tech library, or you can you a BB (Big Bronco) or F-150 D44 and have it shortened that way you have a HP front... Check out the Tech library it has all the info you could ever want