diesel swap

[jaymegriffiths]

Cummins 3.9L 4cyl Diesel engine .....

ive seen a lot of zoomboom's advertised as having a 4.5 cummins diesel. does anyone know anything about this engine?

heres one in a crane.
ritchie bros has more than one 4.5 powered lift
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[bobbywalter]

4.5 isnt really the same. the later engines replaced the 3.9 though the way i understand it. electronically controlled and quite clean by comparison as well.



the 4.5 deere i have worked with and rebuilt are not really worth a damn even with a turbo for a larger truck like mine. neat wet sleeve engine though. easy to work on.

 

[nccatfan]

you could look for a 3.3L-4.4L caterpiller. thats what i want to do.

Didn't know CAT made those sizes. Are those marine engines?

 

[4byranger2000xlt]

Wish I wouldn't had been in such a hurry leaving the parts store toady. There was a 93 or 94 extra cab ranger that was running a cummins. Didn't get a chance to find out anything about the truck but that is one unmistakable sound. It was on the what looked to be all factory suspension, with maybe a 4" lift and 31's or so. It was one bad mutha. Wish I could find that guy again so I could hit him up with some questions.

 

[superds]

Was it a green supercab?

 

[superds]

Was this the Ranger you saw?
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?9800-93-ranger-p-pump-4BT-swap

 

[rusty ol ranger]

It's the gear spacing from first to second not the shifting.
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Honestly....who uses 1st gear in a creeper transmission unless there trying to get a unbelievably LARGE load moving.

If im eating some Honda with the Dually i use Second.

2nd, 3rd, and 4th are not spaced to badly, and the 1st to 2nd shift is a long one, but in order to use the Creeper trans to its full potenital (with a load) you need to master it, because if you whind it out in creeper, and smoke 2nd it puts you right in the sweet spot of 2nd, not to high in RPMS to where you got the tounge hanging out, but not low enough to lug it.

My opinion Diesels have there place, in semis, school busses, and tractors. In a RBV a good running 351 would be a better choice, and in a Big 3/4-1ton a Big block will always be my choice.

later,
Dustin

 

[93 4x4 ranger]

Ford 2.5T or 3.0T

I know Ford uses a 2.5 and 3.0 turbo diesel in the Ranger everywhere except here. Anyone thought of trying to get a hold of one? I have no idea on the power output, but I would think anyone could do this swap if they could find the engine.

 

[reinaldo]

That's an unbelievably open ended question.

You'r probably going to be looking at an industrial diesel and modding it to get the HP up to a reasonable level. Lot's of people think about the Cummins 4BT, and I keep making the point that it's nearly 800lbs dry weight, let alone a tranny that can handle the torque. It'll make the weird weight distribution of a pickup that much worse. It's also almost 4L.

You could get a 2.0L-3.0L 4cylinder industrial diesel for a much more reasonable 4-500 lbs, and still somewhat cheap if you cruise Ebay or get lucky locally. Buy you're also going to be looking at an adapter plate.

VW diesels can work but the computers in them get really cranky when being transplanted and everything isn't just peachy perfect.

Others like the Mercedes swap have been done, and at the time of posting my reply, there is a diesel swap thread not too far down from this topic.
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22729

I'd start by studying the differences in the Diesel in your Chevy and Ford for small details.

What will the truck be used for? Will it be driven daily? Hard or soft? Mileage a concern? loooots of questions that need answers to.

I still prefer Mercedes swap because it works fine with me.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

I know Ford uses a 2.5 and 3.0 turbo diesel in the Ranger everywhere except here. Anyone thought of trying to get a hold of one? I have no idea on the power output, but I would think anyone could do this swap if they could find the engine.

It's a 3.0L International engine...

http://www.mwm.com.br/default.asp?su=3&pa=subSeries&idSubSerie=41

 

[tractor_boy]

Wish I wouldn't had been in such a hurry leaving the parts store toady. There was a 93 or 94 extra cab ranger that was running a cummins. Didn't get a chance to find out anything about the truck but that is one unmistakable sound. It was on the what looked to be all factory suspension, with maybe a 4" lift and 31's or so. It was one bad mutha. Wish I could find that guy again so I could hit him up with some questions.

Hey that's me guys!!

I'm gonna dyno the ranger soon here, we'll see what it does. And yes, superds, that's my build thread.

Lot's of good info here, but to be honest, I think some of you hard-core V8 guys need to come drive my 4BT ranger. 4BT is a VERY viable option for an RBV.

First time out of the shop:



Testing an HY35 turbo:



An idea of the coolness:


I now have roughly twice the power level as in the videos, and run an HX35 turbo. It whistles MUCH more.

 

[bobbywalter]

you cant even hear my truck comming from the front unless mud tires are on it.

most people have to ask if it is a diesel when fueling up. i can hear a 4bt a 1/2 mile away idling. driving/working on 4bt equipped vehicles turned me away from them. that and cost.

if i really need 30 mpg, then putting up with a 4bt will definitely happen. this is a likely scenario over the next 6-7 years. i have pretty much relented to that.

what mpg do you pull avg and hiway?

if you were closer i would like to trade them for a cruise for direct comparison. though you would have to put er back to 160 hp.....i have a feeling that thing is running 14's these days.

of course i am 6k plus in weight as well, and have no sound deadening or fenderwells...seems that would really make my truck livable.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I just dont see the point....gas is like 2.75 here and diesel is 3.18...plus the extra oil during changes, filters, matience, etc etc, the few extra MPG you get just aint worth it....and 6.2/6.5's just dont make a whole lot more torque then a healthy small block, and a good running big block will eat one.

But to each there own i suppose. Personally id run a 6.9L with a turbo....Those were really, really good engines, and stronger then the 6.2/6.5 if you keep them stock.

later,
Dustin

 

[bobbywalter]

I just dont see the point....gas is like 2.75 here and diesel is 3.18...plus the extra oil during changes, filters, matience, etc etc, the few extra MPG you get just aint worth it....and 6.2/6.5's just dont make a whole lot more torque then a healthy small block, and a good running big block will eat one.

But to each there own i suppose. Personally id run a 6.9L with a turbo....Those were really, really good engines, and stronger then the 6.2/6.5 if you keep them stock.

later,
Dustin

i believe you cant understand. and in many cases your fuel comparison is almost worth consideration. if a guy drives 8-15 k a year....well hell who cares right??

i tend to run 35-50k plus, lots and lots of hiway

your metric has this in my case for 50k from past powertrain line ups

2.9 410 gears 33 tires a4ld-2.75 gallon $9821.00

5.0 (ho/gt40) aod 4.10 gears 2.75 gallon $11956.00

6.5 n/a 4l80 4.10 gears 3.18 gallon $8368.00

THATS FREE TIRES AND MAINTAINANCE AND SOME SPARE CHANGE FOR FOOD.
over my gas v8 thats over 3500 savings.....thats new mud tires and street tires for free and hell i can buy a fresh 6.5 every year too...so fawk changin the oil


funny thing too, engine choice was partly due to oil changes and overall cost of operation.. its one quart extra, and i burn it in my tank when i am done using it as a lubricant, so my oil changes are actually cheaper over the previous gassers.

if i had a psd, it would be 6 dollars more per change over my healthy smallblock. with filters thats a whopping 130 bux more....so you dont have any way to say it costs more....cause that oil would go in the tank with the psd too of course my psd would not leave me missing my smallblock. the 6.5 does leave me missing it. the na 6.5 does very well on the road and i have no complaints, comparable to a 4.0 gasser in feel. but it has to have a turbo to be respectable.


now, in my current configuration my small block would be lucky to see better then 9 mpg.


i have 300 bux into a complete turbo setup and spare engine with less then 15 k on it.


if i actually did the proper maintenance to this 300k plus 6.5 it would greatly improve economy. but its just now getting to the point to where i am considering it....years later after installed and run hard.....injectors are scheduled for 60k intervals....but i keep it to 360 k cheaper.



so yeah......those few mpg different really arent worth it

just cant see the point?



on edit....

in that configuration......its equivalent to towing a 7000 pound load....and still got better economy town then my gasser with 33's.


think about that for a minute

 

[joebleifuss]

Mercedes diesel swap

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Hi at all im from Germany Bavaria and riede a 93 Ranger. It was a V6 2,9 Gas init before right now im swapt a 5 Zyl 2,9 Mercedes Diesel Engine init.It runs great an need just the half on Fuel bevor 18 Liter Gasoline now juat 8,5 Liter Diesel per 100 Km or 62 Miles. Wer calcolate to 100 Km in germany.The Engine have now 99 Hp an its ok for cruising and offroad. im using my Ranger for Hunting and work in wood and drive my dougther to scool, in the wintwrtime.[/SIZE]
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