diesel swap

[Ozwynn]

I've got the 7.3L and oddly enough, specs I've seen weigh it less than the 6.0L (taken before accesories). Guess all the EGR equipment gets heavy.

Never was a big admirer of the 6.2L... all of 'em I've driven were rather gutless. Liked the turbo-6.5L tho. Didn't even know they were candidtes for a Ranger swap... that's a big V8!

talk to Will. he has contemplated it, measured it, him hawed ....... he will know more about it.

a N/A 6.2 is gutless. a 6.2 with a non-wastegated turbo that has been bored .040 over (mil spec remman, makes it a 6.3L) with a 93 injector and lift pump, 4" turbo back exhaust and some other easy/cheap mods and the engine will breath fire.

just ran the number on putting one into the Bronco and it came out less money to swap in a 6.2/6.5 hybrid turbo to get get 200 RWHP and 380 RWTQ than than swapping in a cammed 351 to get the same numbers..... plus you can run it on B100 or 95/5 mix of filtered used motor oil (95% FUMO/ 5% diesel fuel) with no problems

[EDIT] hp and torque numbers assume the use of the 6.5 TD vin "F" (non EGR) intake manifold and no intercooler (not needed with the non-waste gated turbo [/EDIT]

 

[nccatfan]

I actually considered doing a bigger gasser conversion for a long time, but nothing bigger than a 302. The more experience I gain with the diesels, tho, the more I like 'em!! Does CAT make an eng. small enough to fit the Ranger? I know I'm being stubborn on the 4BT (3.9L)... Don't want anything smaller than that, but a V8 is too much (also prefer American).

 

[tempforce]

the 3.3 is around 500 lbs, 180-230 hp isn't unreasonable. the 450-500+ lbs torque is where the engine hits the money.
a different option is a small block v8, with 12:1 compression, running on e85, (100-105 octane).
the v8 would run much smoother, weigh 200 lbs less and have quicker acceleration.
cc

 

[wizkid00104]

There was a guy who had a 4bt Ranger for sale on ebay a while back. The truck sat on 37 on military Humvee wheels. It had a Ford full size 4 speed (not sure of the model), dana 70 front and a Sterling 10.25 rear. I think the T-case was a NP205. It was really cool and there was even a movie of it on youtube of it hitting a mud bog. He was running 28 psi with a bigger turbo. He claimed it to be around 120 Hp and 400 Torque. It was a really cool truck, but it was a retarded amount of work to build. It would be nice to see someone do one, but I think it would take a while.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

I actually considered doing a bigger gasser conversion for a long time, but nothing bigger than a 302. The more experience I gain with the diesels, tho, the more I like 'em!! Does CAT make an eng. small enough to fit the Ranger? I know I'm being stubborn on the 4BT (3.9L)... Don't want anything smaller than that, but a V8 is too much (also prefer American).

The best candidates I found for a diesel swap were all foreign, except for the VM Motori from the Jeep... International's 2.8 looks to be a good swap as does Ford's Duratorq, but good look actually finding one around here...

 

[Ozwynn]

Mutant pony did a 6.5 TD swap to his ranger and he is happy with it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

the 3.3 is around 500 lbs, 180-230 hp isn't unreasonable. the 450-500+ lbs torque is where the engine hits the money.
a different option is a small block v8, with 12:1 compression, running on e85, (100-105 octane).
the v8 would run much smoother, weigh 200 lbs less and have quicker acceleration.
cc

I have thought about a small block on E85, I figured with my luck I would build the engine, and they would quit subsidizing it so it would cost more than regular gas if it was even still available and I would be stuck with race gas.

 

[nccatfan]

How much weight can these front Ranger sunspensions support? How would I beef up my '91 enough to handle a heavy diesel? Is a 1/2-ton suspension swap feasable?

 

[rusty ol ranger]

You can get a good running mid 80's 4bbl 351 for around 500 bucks.

A good C6, around 300.

By the time you switch the fuel system, fab everything up, etc etc your going to have a lot of time and (uneeded) effort to have something that might tail grab a 351W Ranger untill 25mph. Then after that get smoked.

The 6.2L is not an impressive engine. Neither is the 6.5L. The duramax wouldnt be bad if it wasnt an isuzu. The only diesel i find worth a shit in the modern world is a cummins. The PSD was good untill they got rid of the 7.3L, and if you wanna get into old Diesels the 6.9L Int'l was hard to beat.

I dont understand why anyone would wanna take a step backwards and put a 135hp/325ftlb diesel engine in a vehicle when for the same money (actually prolly less) and a whole hell of alot less work get an engine that makes 200+HP and 350ftlbs of torque and give or take the same RPM's. Granted the fuel mileage wont be there but the OP said thats not an issue.

Unless your going for originality (which is most cases is not smart because it just costs you time and money) a diesel is a worthless swap.

later,
Dustin

later,
Dustin

 

[Ozwynn]

You can get a good running mid 80's 4bbl 351 for around 500 bucks.

A good C6, around 300.

By the time you switch the fuel system, fab everything up, etc etc your going to have a lot of time and (uneeded) effort to have something that might tail grab a 351W Ranger untill 25mph. Then after that get smoked.

The 6.2L is not an impressive engine. Neither is the 6.5L. The duramax wouldnt be bad if it wasnt an isuzu. The only diesel i find worth a shit in the modern world is a cummins. The PSD was good untill they got rid of the 7.3L, and if you wanna get into old Diesels the 6.9L Int'l was hard to beat.

I dont understand why anyone would wanna take a step backwards and put a 135hp/325ftlb diesel engine in a vehicle when for the same money (actually prolly less) and a whole hell of alot less work get an engine that makes 200+HP and 350ftlbs of torque and give or take the same RPM's. Granted the fuel mileage wont be there but the OP said thats not an issue.

Unless your going for originality (which is most cases is not smart because it just costs you time and money) a diesel is a worthless swap.

later,
Dustin

later,
Dustin

dude, my 6.5 Turbo will smoke a 351........ till there is nothing left of it. for the same amount of money upgrading the a 6.2/6.5 hybrid over a 351 ...... the the diesel will smoke the 351 for the same amount of money put into it......and still get 20 mpg.... and run any ol kind of crap you can put in the tank. and you are talking a used junk yard 351 that may or may not run good. I am talking a fresh mil spec remman with 0 miles on it, complete with injector pump. on a mechanically injected diesel there is absolutely nothing to the fuel system.

I know a guy that is running a 6.5T that is making over 200 RWHP and over 400 RWTQ....... got about $1500 in upgrades on it..... and some custom made upgrades....... this is at an off road usible RPM.

the only reason a 351 might get away fom the light faster than me is because I can't keep the back wheels from spinning at anything over 1/4 throttle on the take off. I make stable power right to the point the computer defuels the engine in self protection mode (3400 RPMs) and I am only making about 10 PSI boost..... now imagine what that would do with a turbo that flows 1.5 times the CFM @ 10 psi and over twice the cfm @ 18 PSI. when I hit my get on ramp I can pull 95 mph (4.10 * 345/75/16 * 3200 RPMs) from a dead stop before the end on the short ramp (governed speed is 98)

 

[COPPERHEAD85]

^^^^You're joking..............right??

 

[nccatfan]

I actually have a 302 sitting on a stand right now... I just like diesels that much. Originality is a small factor, don't really need speed... I just think diesels are more versatile and dependable.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Use the 302.

BDAB....you can beat a good running 351W in what? A 1ton crew cab dually 4x4 with an auto?

You wont touch one in a 3/4ton with a 4sp and 4.11's.

later,
Dustin

 

[Ozwynn]

^^^^You're joking..............right??

not bad for a truck with 198,XXX miles on the original engine.

Heath GL4 chip, Kennedy High pop injectors, full optical bump, Heath HD cooling package (130 gph pump with dual T-stat) Heath High Output lift pump. drilled out fuel manager for 1/2" fuel lines from the filter to the Injector pump. GM-8 turbo (last generation for the 6.5). custom 3" cross over with a 4" turbo back exhaust. next upgrade will be a mitsubishi TD-07 turbo and a top mounted intercooler.

not bad for trading $1250 worth of parts for.

next upgrade will be a mitsubishi TD-07 turbo and a top mounted intercooler.

Use the 302.

BDAB....you can beat a good running 351W in what? A 1ton crew cab dually 4x4 with an auto?

You wont touch one in a 3/4ton with a 4sp and 4.11's.

later,
Dustin

I have a Light Duty (6 lug) 2500 4x4 X-cab short bed with 4.10's and you couldn't shift a granny 4 fast enough to out run a 4L80E....... you want to do this it has to be with components designed for a truck.... no car parts. now like i said before the 351 would get it in the top end because my max rpm is 3400 with smallish tires and 4.10 gears and a .75 OD putting my governed speed at approx 98 mph. I will put it up against any similar sized F250 with a 351 and 4spd.

 

[nccatfan]

Mileage is a factor too, since this truck will be a daily driver once finished. I've not seen any gassers make 30MPG. More power can be found after the install so I'm not so worried about that. Granted, 302 Rangers are cool (my dad built one... very fun!), There's only been 2 or 3 4BT conversions compared to dozens (hundreds?) of 5.0 conversions (kinda goes back to originality).