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Hey now, let's remember the engineers dont make the decisions. The penny pinchers and marketing guys do. Engineers just build the garbage they were told to build.

The engineers can build something glorious then the penny pinchers come in and say "it cost to much to manufacture so make it from recycled tampons to save money, and all these normal bolts and screws take too long to assemble so make make it out of snap together crap to save time."

Then marketing comes in and says " hey so we need you to add these 47 completely useless and overly complicated features we put in the sales brochure, you have 3 hours and can't spend any more money making it work".

When you leave a team of highly trained engineers alone in a room you end up with the SR-71 blackbird. When your engineers take orders from the sales and marketing executives you end up with the 737 max.
 
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Hey now, let's remember the engineers dont make the decisions. The penny pinchers and marketing guys do. Engineers just build the garbage they were told to build.

The engineers can build something glorious then the penny pinchers come in and say "it cost to much to manufacture so make it from recycled tampons to save money, and all these normal bolts and screws take too long to assemble so make make it out of snap together crap to save time."

Then marketing comes in and says " hey so we need you to add these 47 completely useless and overly complicated features we put in the sales brochure, you have 3 hours and can't spend any more money making it work".

When you leave a team of highly trained engineers alone in a room you end up with the SR-71 blackbird. When your engineers take orders from the sales and marketing executives you end up with the 737 max.
Two rebuttals.

1) A design engineer decided to place a blower motor horizontally in the center of the vehicle, behind the dash.

2) A design engineer decided to not leave any sort of inspection/access port at the bottom of the bell housing on the current generation of 4-cylinder transmissions, including the DPS6.

These were not accounting or marketing decisions, these were design decisions. These two failings alone justify my position.

So are you signing on to the DPS6 lawsuit?
 

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So are you signing on to the DPS6 lawsuit?
I can't, it only covers up to 2016 models. I don't know what they "claim" was fixed in 2017+ models but it excludes them from the lawsuit. :rolleyes:
 

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Hey now, let's remember the engineers dont make the decisions. The penny pinchers and marketing guys do. Engineers just build the garbage they were told to build.

The engineers can build something glorious then the penny pinchers come in and say "it cost to much to manufacture so make it from recycled tampons to save money, and all these normal bolts and screws take too long to assemble so make make it out of snap together crap to save time."

Then marketing comes in and says " hey so we need you to add these 47 completely useless and overly complicated features we put in the sales brochure, you have 3 hours and can't spend any more money making it work".

When you leave a team of highly trained engineers alone in a room you end up with the SR-71 blackbird. When your engineers take orders from the sales and marketing executives you end up with the 737 max.
And that is how it works.
 

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1) A design engineer decided to place a blower motor horizontally in the center of the vehicle, behind the dash.

2) A design engineer decided to not leave any sort of inspection/access port at the bottom of the bell housing on the current generation of 4-cylinder transmissions, including the DPS6.
If these are your gripes with the lovely, wonderful, extremely brilliant engineering staff over in Dearborn then you've never owned a modular 5.4. My experience can't be summed up with nice words either but let's just say a few hundred years ago the French had a damn good idea of how to talk to people that screwed ya
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If these are your gripes with the lovely, wonderful, extremely brilliant engineering staff over in Dearborn then you've never owned a modular 5.4. My experience can't be summed up with nice words either but let's just say a few hundred years ago the French had a damn good idea of how to talk to people that screwed ya
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2v is a good power plant...
 

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For the first 75k... Got my 3v back from the shop last week & it's going back in tomorrow :nopityA:
 

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For the first 75k... Got my 3v back from the shop last week & it's going back in tomorrow :nopityA:
3v’s are a pile.

My 2v has 180k, service truck at work with a service box is basically a rolling 5.4 dyno has 170k.
 

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If these are your gripes with the lovely, wonderful, extremely brilliant engineering staff over in Dearborn then you've never owned a modular 5.4. My experience can't be summed up with nice words either but let's just say a few hundred years ago the French had a damn good idea of how to talk to people that screwed ya
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I've owned a 5.4. That engine would have been a joy to work on had the fuel pressure regulator been in a better spot, and the vehicle not had rear heat and air. The 4.6 and 5.4 are all modular by the way.

Also, being one of Ford's more popular engines of the last 20 years, and having been a dealership tech for 11 of the last 14 years I have probably worked on over 1000 5.4s in the two, three, and four valve configurations.
 

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Is the v10 in the same family? I know our shop truck with a v10 triton was a POS for the damn spark plug BS. Worst engine I ever worked on.
 

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Is the v10 in the same family?
Yep, it's a modular too. Pistons, rods, sensors, timing, and many other core components are interchangeable across the family. The modular motors were designed partially for cutting the number of parts needed on hand in-house.
For BG I used to work in parts at my local Ford parts dealer & I got to see inside the HVC once. Cool as hell, think massive Amazon warehouse but full of pornographic material factory-fresh engines, cams, axles, and just about anything else a man would find in heaven itself. Having a lot less of that stuff is pretty useful when that family owned dealership had nearly $1M worth of parts on hand. They pushed that much in parts out the door on the monthly.

And with that we've jacked another one of Jim's threads to debate an engine family totally unrelated to Rangers and slowed down his hiring decision between former moderators, Rick, and those that ran Minecraft servers for 12 year olds in 2008 LOL

I'm considering an EcoBoost truck now. Heard the 3.5 actually starts up in the morning. ;missingteeth;
 
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