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Most people fly the flag because they believe the south should of won the war and slaves should not be free and still stand for the old ways, don't matter what state they live in ..

Typical. Let me guess, you think all folks who live South of the Mason-Dixon line (Oh snapzz was dat is?) are Camaro driving, flanel wearing, Mullet-headed hicks who live in single wides?

You really ought to pick up a history book and read it.
 
I would wave the Rebel Flag with pride, BUT that DOES NOT mean I am racist, which I don't have a racist bone in my body, I think of the Rebel Flag as something that represents that YOU stand up for your self, and will not take Gov't B.S. because you know you have the freedom to stand up for your rights, and will not be pushed around by some pencil pushing buracrat who thinks other wise, now I am young, young enough to not be able to vote yet, but I strongly feel that the Rebel Flag is not meant to be racist.
 
Typical. Let me guess, you think all folks who live South of the Mason-Dixon line (Oh snapzz was dat is?) are Camaro driving, flanel wearing, Mullet-headed hicks who live in single wides?

You really ought to pick up a history book and read it.

I don't believe that at all. In fact, at times, I envy you nice Southern folks in many ways.
 
Can you give some examples:icon_confused:


Just messin with you.:icon_rofl:

Yeah. I've got one word word you: BARBEQUE!!! :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

Nobody up here can do it as well as you guys & gals down south. When was the last time you had a good biscuit w/ gravy north of the Mason-Dixon anyway either?
 
biscuits and gravy mmmmmmmmmmmm
 
lmao biscuits are yummy..... especially the local country mart biscuits they make every morn..... yuummmmm god i love the south, o yea and as a typical southerner i must say......Democrats suck..... they rlly do and they need to stay the gell away from the white house, all they do is screw shit up and say its helping things..... they r all idiots. All politicians are crooks, they work for themselves not for the people like its supposed to be. Republicans are crooks too, but i would MUCH rather them be in the house then sum baby killing millionairs.....
 
i cant really imagine the world today if the south had won, who knows what would be going on. i bet we wouldnt have nascar races cause moonshine would have never been illegal.

jesse jackson, al sharpton and the entire naacp would have you believe that the war was fought solely for slavery and that people who fly the flag hate blacks just as all southerners did before and during the war. they just want people to give them money so they can go on tv and tell don imus he is a racist and that south carolina cant fly the confederate flag on the capital.

i had several relatives serve in north carolina regiments during the war of northern aggression, i have seen roll call sheets, pictures and tombstones. i'll fly the flag if i feel like and if you have a problem with it, i dont really give a shit.

however, the KKK and white supremacists have given the flag a bad rep and i dont think that will ever change....the confederacy will always be looked upon as the guys that fought a war just so they could have slaves.
 
AllanD didn't nail it and the north wasn't treating the south in the manner you indicate. The industrial revolution was still a good way off--several decades--and most northern boys were farmers, just like the southern boys. It was Abraham Lincoln's idealistic view of preserving the union that drove the entire thing. Without this ugly, charasmatic man that stood physically a foot taller than everyone else, there would have been 2 countries. And it's entirely possible they would have rejoined again at some point.

Just because the Gettysburg address was belated doesn't mean it was irrelevant. Who can know what drives someone. Over-analyzing things is academic--there are things that you can devlope good theories for but then forget that your theories are wrong because you can't know what is driving a man as much as Abraham Lincoln was driven. He was a master orator when microphones and things didn't exist. he also didn't have the face time with people that we have now with televisons and such. People in the north voted to stay in the war by re-electing him. They were not swayed by his cool hair--they were swayed by their own gut feelings.

Without us being one country, I doubt we would have been effective in the last minutes of WW1 or throughout the 20th century. We may not have perfect individual rights, but without us being unified, we might not have any. WW1 had nothing to do with us at the start, and neither did WW2. Could half or 2/3 of the USA have been strong enough to build Russian equipment while they moved their industry over the Urals? Could 2/3 of us have fielded the 110 aircraft carriers we had at the end of WW2? The south, if independent would have been like Ireland during WW2. A neutral, noncommital pain in the ass because of their fear of the north's intent.

I don't know what the world would be like without Lincoln as the 16th president but it would be hard to paint a scenario where it's better. The implications are far reaching. For instance, without the united states, would all of the immigration have taken place? I doubt it. Some certainly, but not all. With immigration, we have more people of many nationalities living here than actually live in their own countries. Without immigration to fill up this place it would cost you $100 to find someone to walk your dog, let alone man the arsenal of democracy.

Sorry man, but Allan DID nail it, and there's no two ways around it. The north and the actions of the Federal government were the precipitators of the war. Slavery? Not hardly.

Yes, my people were Tennesseans from the early 1800s, and most likely farther back than that - pre-statehood, in other words before 1796.
 
Most people fly the flag because they believe the south should of won the war and slaves should not be free and still stand for the old ways, don't matter what state they live in ..

One of the stupidest things I've read on this forum yet.
 
What Lincoln should have done was grant citizenship to all the Slaves. That would protect them under the bill of rights and all this "Civil Rights" stuff would be moot.

You can't give citizenship to property. Remember, vast majority of our law is based on precedent. The Supreme Court ruled against Dred Scott (and all Blacks) in 1857 and essentially legalized slavery in the entire nation. The abolitionists didn't like that one little bit.

And theoretically, not even the President is supposed to be able to overrule the Supreme Court. ha ha
 
So in a nut shell,

1. Blacks ruled to not be citizen-worthy
2. Slavery prohibitions declared unconstitutional (States choose whether they want it or not)
3. Abolitionists get pissed
4. Lincoln becomes the Abolitionist of choice for the party
5. South gets pissed because Supreme Court and States Rights Decision is trampled on.
6. Southern States say F you. We're out of here.
7. boom boom
 

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