need a faver for someone with a timing light plz

[pbilt]

i have a 85 2.3 ranger and i was wondering if anyone that has a timing light would check what there ignition timing is with the spout connected and let me know. when i unplug my spout and set the timing to 10 degrees then reconnect the spout the timing is at 18 degrees btdc people told me thats not to high for the 2.3 but if someone could just trow a light on and let me know for sure i would appreciate it.

 

[fastpakr]

18 degrees is fine with the spout connected.

 

[pbilt]

thank you for the reply but i was seein if someone will actually check so i know for sure

 

[pbilt]

18 degrees btdc at 800 rpm sounds way to high to me

 

[fastpakr]

Again, no. It is 100% normal. The timing is set statically with the spout disconnected, then the computer will advance it as much as it can based on the input it receives. Under no load conditions such as idling or closed throttle, or at high RPM, it can easily go to 20+ degrees. Nothing unusual about that at all.

 

[pbilt]

if you have a timming light could you just check yours and post it

 

[Jason]

He is a knowledgeable guy, and giving you information that he has learned over the years. Do you need him to check that a clear sky is blue too?

 

[pbilt]

i dont give a **** how knowledgeable he is every mechanic i talk to says that 18 is allot of advance thats what people run with over sized cams and the reason im posting this is cause its getting spark knock under load and backing of the dizzy i loose allot of low end torque i want to know what other people are running thats the whole point of this post if i wanted peoples opinions i would of named the post do you think 18 is to much advance not need a favor from someone with a timing light i have a yota 20r running 12 advance 32 total advance this 2.3 is running 18 at 800 25 total only 7 degrees total advance wtf

 

[Mutant Pony]

I set timing on thousands of computer controlled vehicles. If the timing with the spout out was 18 degrees, it would be a little high. 18 is just average with the spout connected.
On a non-computer controlled vehicle the timing is much different, as you said with the Toyota. If you could see what your Rangers timing is doing driving down the road it would make more sense.

 

[pbilt]

and my uncle had a old 2.3 ranger and he said his timing advanced alot more all im trying to figure out is if my eec is advancing right if someone with a light would check what there timing is with the spout still in check what there advance is at 800 and 2000 rpm im just looking for a comparison

 

[pbilt]

i posted that before reading your reply my bad Mutant Pony and to everyone els that i may have come off as a prick to

 

[pbilt]

but i would still like actual numbers to compare to if anyone with a light would take 5 min of there time to just trow a light on

 

[Mutant Pony]

My '85, 2300 Ranger got crushed a few years ago. I would really like to beat that kid! Sorry.

 

[tomw]

The resulting numbers would not really tell you anything. The ECM adjusts the timing very frequently based upon current operating conditions. Coolant temp, air temp, MAP load, MAF flow, knock sensor input, throttle position, barometric pressure, etc. How can you really expect to get duplicate, or even similar numbers when the ambient conditions can be so different? It is not really comparing apples to apples, or degrees to degrees.
I can suggest that you have carbon on the piston tops that is causing your pinging. One way to get rid of it is to feed some H2O to your engine through the intake. Take a squirt bottle filled with water, and spritz a bit into the intake while idling the engine at a good fast idle. The water turning to steam as it is heated by combustion has been known to remove carbon because of the flash to steam and its cleaning effect. It is an old mans trick that still works. My 85 used to ping going down the freeway with a light load. I could quiet the ping by backing off the throttle or advancing the accelerator pedal. The ECM was trying to get 'max advance for the load', and would back off the timing when I gave it a little more gas, or when I took my foot off the pedal, and the vacuum in the intake rose a little. I think I used the 'steam cleaning' trick, or maybe it was the 'wind the beans out of it' trick to clean off the carbon. If you have a tach, take it up to 4 grand from rest, not in the driveway, but loaded going down the road, before upshifting a few times. The rpms will burn off some crud too.
tom

 

[kimcrwbr1]

i dont give a **** how knowledgeable he is every mechanic i talk to says that 18 is allot of advance thats what people run with over sized cams and the reason im posting this is cause its getting spark knock under load and backing of the dizzy i loose allot of low end torque i want to know what other people are running thats the whole point of this post if i wanted peoples opinions i would of named the post do you think 18 is to much advance not need a favor from someone with a timing light i have a yota 20r running 12 advance 32 total advance this 2.3 is running 18 at 800 25 total only 7 degrees total advance wtf

Your not gonna get the same reading from another engine to be the same as yours. It kinna sounds to me like your knock sensor is not working tho. Set the base timing like the book says and to check the knock sensor have someone tap on the block next to the knock sensor while your looking at the timing marks. The timing should retard with the tapping with the spout wire connected. At least the haynes manual I have says you have the knock sensor. I am not sure where it is on the 2.3 on the 2.8 it is in the block by the starter. Just dont tap on the sensor they are fragile. Maybe the connector is crudded up clean it good with electrical cleaner it has two wires.