Guy wants money back

[therieldeal]

he already lowballed you for $1500... i'd ignore the guy

 

[shadetree]

There is one other thing. Some states have an implied warranty law, and has a time period. It has nothing to do with a "lemon law."

If I sell you something, and tell you it is in good condition as far as I know, and does not need any maintenance/repair work, then you are implying that the vehicle is in driveable condition, and the buyer should be assured he is getting his moneys worth, and is buying a reliable vehicle. As is/where is means nothing in this case.

If I sell you a car knowing it has problems, needs repairs, etc., but do not tell the buyer, he can come back at you in spades. CYA. Cover your ass, and make sure of the law before you make any decisions. I think Arizona is one state with such a law. shady

 

[Mark_88]

There is one other thing. Some states have an implied warranty law, and has a time period. It has nothing to do with a "lemon law."

If I sell you something, and tell you it is in good condition as far as I know, and does not need any maintenance/repair work, then you are implying that the vehicle is in driveable condition, and the buyer should be assured he is getting his moneys worth, and is buying a reliable vehicle. As is/where is means nothing in this case.

If I sell you a car knowing it has problems, needs repairs, etc., but do not tell the buyer, he can come back at you in spades. CYA. Cover your ass, and make sure of the law before you make any decisions. I think Arizona is one state with such a law. shady

Yes, when I was dealing with warranty claims in my last job I heard more than one customer claim they have laws that over ride the manufacturers warranty and offer upwards of five years protection (I think Mass was one). I know this isn't a "new vehicle" but you'd be surprised what laws are in place to protect consumers against fraud.

Not saying that OP is committing fraud, but may be subjected to some obscure law that could imply fraudulent actions on his part.

Buyer Beware is becoming a thing of the past...

 

[Will]

I would not give him any money. He has to prove that you knowingly sold him a piece of shit. He can't. I have felt screwed after deals, but took my lumps and moved on and ended up with good cars. It's a risk you take buying a used car. Shit does, in fact, happen. He was beating its ass on the way home and it failed--or he's lying about it and just wants money. Either way, it's not your problem. As long as you know you did not conceal anything when you sold it to him, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[rboyer]

If you give him any of your money then you are a chump. It's his car now and the money is yours. If I sold someone a car as-is and they started complaining about a check engine light that magically came on I would tell them to leave the car with me overnight and once they left I would pull the gauge cluster and yank the damn bulb. If you were completely honest throughout the whole sale and even lowered your price in the end then why should you have to pay?

 

[truckmanson]

The lemon law doesn't apply to private sales... He's screwed.

true but a business law instructor once told me that any vehicle sold over a certain price by any party private or otherwise, must meet a certain dependability, unless stated as is. I don't remember the specifics but I would definitely look into it.
but the guy definitely should not get his money back if the car was sold 1500 under value, he may be looking for a quick buck

 

[thegoat4]

It was OK at the time of sale and you are not a dealership. While you don't have to be rude about it, you are within your rights to tell him that it is no longer your responsibility as you no longer own the car.

Do not offer to get it fixed, looked at, or fix it on your own. When you do that you take some responsibility back onto yourself. He could hit you up for causing problems with an improper repair or try to pull you into fixing way more than you expected.

Hell, I work at a dealership where we do make repairs on used trucks before reselling them, and we still tell the customers "as-is." Sometimes we're nice about it, but most of the time we flat-out stonewall 'em. One guy bought a truck that needed an inframe--he got about a week's worth of work out of it before it became hopeless. But even after buying an inframe on top of the cost of the used truck it was cheaper than a new one. Used is used. If you want warranty, you need to buy new.

 

[shadetree]

You need to check your state law.

"Note that the implied warranty doesn't extend to products sold explicitly "as is" or for which the seller puts in writing that no warranty is given. Selling products "as is" is illegal in Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Vermont, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia, according to the Federal Trade Commission."

While most of these laws apply to dealers and sellers of merchandise, in some states it can also apply to private sales. As I said before, CYA.shady

 

[ForOffRoadDriving]

this is the reason i dont buy new cars. becuase the cost is less initially and i know there is with out a doubt no warranty with the car bail my ass out so i tend to check it out very closely before buying. this guy ovbiously was beating on it or tyring to pull your leg and get you to cough up some more money to put him farther ahead on the deal. if this was a car you routinely drove then you know how it acted and you would be the best judge as to the condition it was sold in. i say screw him, hes got shit in one hand and 1500 in the other. sounds like theirs enough paper to clean up the mess.

 

[4x4RangerGuy]

Tell him to pound sand. Seriously.

I used to work for a used car dealer in NH. Any used car sold "As Is" in NH has no lemon law attached to it. As long as you sold it to hm As Is you have absolutely no obligation to do anything.

 

[shadetree]

Tell him to pound sand. Seriously.

I used to work for a used car dealer in NH. Any used car sold "As Is" in NH has no lemon law attached to it. As long as you sold it to hm As Is you have absolutely no obligation to do anything.

Actually, New Hampshire does have a "lemon law." It applies to new vehicles.

New Hampshire does also have an "implied warranty" law. As I stated before, the two laws are entirely different. The New Hampshire law does have an "as is" clause, but it has qualifications.

In New Hampshire, and oral statement can be used as an implied warranty. It is also possible that the law could extend to private sales. A lawyer would have to determine.shady

 

[slimchriz]

Yah the value of the car in great shape stock is 5k not to mention the 10k in mods the last 5 years the value in poor shape is 3500 .
as far as I know its in great shape and it looks great too Him and his friends test drove it for probly 1 hour total I told them to take it to a shop if they wanted they said they would but didnt end up taking it.
As far as I know the car is perfect. I took a low price because I just need the money and the parking space....mostly im poor been outta work long time now

From what he said when we spoke again is he took it to his buddies shop pulled the codes (generic codes that are almost useless on vag cars) called a vw/audi tech with the codes and he said its junk the whole transmission. Id like to meet a tech that skilled who can write off a tranny with a single code over the phone.
The guy said it drives fine except that it sliped once in 5th and the code came up this somehow means the whole thing is trash.
I told him we will talk about it if he Brings it to an Audi tech and shows me a failed part

Thank for your input about this really helped me think this through.

The sad thing is I knew the engine could make enough power to kill the tranny which is why I stopped building the motor the tranny specs say it can handle 230 hp and its pushing 250 and you can easily get another 30 out of it with a FMIC and a new program the turbo running at 1 bar and it can easilly do 1.5 all day with spikes of 2 bar
I told him this when I sold it to him....and maybe its common sense if a car rolls of the lot with 150hp and 100k miles later it has 100hp more that you shouldnt be beating the piss out of it....yah you can roast the tires all day long but is that really good for the car...

It just sucks that the same day he takes it he brakes it and he thinks im an asshole because hes too ignorant too realize that he blew it up...and to be clear here (blowing it up) consist of a tranny slip in 5th once and a single code.

 

[mhughes165]

dude, hes tryin to **** u, tell him its his car

 

[Hypnotic Toast]

If you give him any of your money then you are a chump. It's his car now and the money is yours. If I sold someone a car as-is and they started complaining about a check engine light that magically came on I would tell them to leave the car with me overnight and once they left I would pull the gauge cluster and yank the damn bulb. If you were completely honest throughout the whole sale and even lowered your price in the end then why should you have to pay?

x2

 

[rangerbum]

Tell him that you sold it as is. He bought it as is. He drove it, broke it, and wants you to pay for it? Tell him to bend over.