Anyone with a 2011 or 2012 Mustang?

[kemo]

Just curious if there is anyone here who has one with a stick (v6 or v8) with problems. I've been looking at the 2013 GT... and recently learned that newer mustangs have a GETRAG MT82 transmission (GT has a heavier duty version). Being that I had a car with a GETRAG before, and it was nothing but problems, I decided to look up information on the MT82. Much to my surprise, a great number of results was related to an abundance of failing transmissions in the 2011/2012 Mustangs.

So, with that wordy intro out of the way, I'm curious if there is anyone here with a newer pony that has the MT82 gearbox, and if they are having problems with it. If the problem is still around, no sense in buying one if the tranny is just going to need to be replaced before 5,000 miles.

 

[Mac]

I know of the problems from reading some at allfordmustang.com but never paid any attention to it. Just did a Google on "MT82 probplems" and a bunch showed up. I thought Ford had solved the problems but looks like it still pops up, within in six months.
Dave

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

My brother has a '11, built in late late May 2010. After the first oil change it developed an intermittant tick, sounds like a rock stuck in a mud tire but it isn't constant and only when the A/C is on. What it has to do with an oil change and why it only happens relative to the A/C makes no sense, it may have just been a coincidence. There are a ton of theories about what causes it on the 'net, everything from main bearings to oil filters to cam phasers to timing chains. The 2011 F-150's had a TSB with a different belt drive because the same belt drive that the Mustang's run caused the AC compressor to tick for some reason... which as near as we can tell is what is ticking in his. Both he and the field engineer from Ford expect a similar fix for the Mustang but it hasn't been released yet. It runs perfect otherwise though.

Otherwise it has been a faultess car, we drove it up to the Sturgis Mustang Rally in 2010 and it was a lot of fun to drive. I highly recommend going if you do get one it is a lot of fun, if he behaves and stays out of the hospital this summer we hope to go again. The 6-speed manual is nice, he did add a Boss 302 shifter with a ball and the boot to go with it though. Last spring he also added a FRP axleback exhaust on it that sounds wicked awesome.

We took it up to Minnesota last year for a reunion, now that the thing is getting some miles on it the milage is picking up. The little bugger was putting down a calculated (not off the dash) 28mpg on premium.

If I could get them to give me $30k for my F-150 I would have the same car but in black.

 

[kemo]

I LOVE the looks of the '13 mustang, which is what caught my eye and has kind of put my desire for a NEW full size truck to rest. My plan is to keep the ranger. Somehow, my insurance will be cheaper with the stang AND my ranger, win-win to me!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I LOVE the looks of the '13 mustang, which is what caught my eye and has kind of put my desire for a NEW full size truck to rest. My plan is to keep the ranger. Somehow, my insurance will be cheaper with the stang AND my ranger, win-win to me!

You gonna special order one or pick one off a lot?

 

[kemo]

At this point, as long as they have the MT82, I'm not getting one

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Unless you get a Shelby (Tremec) this is a pretty pointless thread then... they ain't gonna can their brand new trans after two years.

 

[kemo]

Unless you get a Shelby (Tremec) this is a pretty pointless thread then... they ain't gonna can their brand new trans after two years.

Most threads typically do become "pointless" after an answer has been found, or if a conclusion has been drawn.

I've done my research, there is not a fix at this point, and they are still selling them.

IF they actually fix it, I'm ordering one.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

If ford (or any company) found their transmission to have a failure rate higher than the balls on a giraffe, I don't care if its been in production for two days or twenty years it should be FIXED. I would hate to see the new mustangs get labeled as "a piece of shit" because Ford chose to install a known-to-be-faulty transmission.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

If ford (or any company) found their transmission to have a failure rate higher than the balls on a giraffe, I don't care if its been in production for two days or twenty years it should be FIXED. I would hate to see the new mustangs get labeled as "a piece of shit" because Ford chose to install a known-to-be-faulty transmission.

What I was more or less implying was that if there is a problem they will likely fix it, so it will still be a MT82. It is unlikely they will completly trash it and start over.

 

[kemo]

Ford denied warranty service to this transmission... They said there was nothing wrong with the transmission, so the owner took it apart himself, and that is what he found.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ford denied warranty service to this transmission... They said there was nothing wrong with the transmission, so the owner took it apart himself, and that is what he found.

Would you happen to have a link to go with that?

Doesn't look like there ever was anything there, kinda curious if there is supposed to be...

Personally I think most of the problems are with the clutch, and then people get rammy with the shifter and hose the transmission as well. Ford did have a TSB about the pressure plate bolts not being tight enough (bottomed out on too much locktite) so it gets loose, shears the dowel pins off then things get all sorts of goofy up there.

They had another TSB about the clutch pedal assembly sticking to the floor during high RPM shifts (inerta was holding the clutch fingers out), a new assembly fixed that.

They went to a lighter fluid because the original stuff was too thick for cold weather driving.

Awhile ago somebody posted vids on youtube with people complaining about their POS MT82 trans as they sat still trying to grind it into gear. More than one guy, about 6-10 months ago that is what the vast majority of problems on youtube were with the transmission. Most of them also sat there for a long time with the clutch in which makes me question how much they knew about manual transmission operation to start with. Frickin' idiots, it ain't the transmission's fault the input shaft is still turning. ANY transmission will do that if the clutch isn't fully disengaged.

And then I think a mob mentality took over forums...

 

[kemo]

That is what I hate about forums. When you have a problem, or think you do, you head right to an online source (just like I did when I read ABOUT the problem). I went in wanting something because of the new looks, and came out with a negative image because of what I saw/read. And then I put into consideration.... you mostly read about bad experiences, and rarely the good.

To answer your question about where I saw that, it is at another forum. I don't know if I can post a link, however, there is a place dedicated to nothing else, but "all ford mustangs". Google should get you there... try this too "2011 2012 Getrag MT 82 Mustang 6 Speed transmission internal shift linkage problems" That should take you to the thread.

The synchronizers seems to have been a big issue in other threads.

Doesn't look like there ever was anything there, kinda curious if there is supposed to be...

Why would an internal ring gear be designed to have missing teeth?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

From that very thread:

My theory is this. There is a clutch disengagement issue which causes an increase in resistance in the syncro and slider assy and when this happens you inadvertently apply more pressure when you are trying to shift gears. So the cheap stamped steel welded shift fork assemblies that Getrag opted to use in this transmission flex and the nylon covered shift fork pads fail due to the lack of rigidity and increased force. If you look at the pictures in the following links you will see that the shift fork pads are both damaged but one side is completely destroyed. This is the 1-2 shift fork and the only signs of wear in the transmission are the syncro assembly and the shift fork. No broken gears or bearing failures.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...smission-internal-shift-linkage-problems.html

I gave up on page four, they are skipping all over the place with different theories. It could be any of them I guess, if it is a big problem you can be darn sure they will come out with a fix one way or another. My brother changed the fluid in his because he wanted to get a jump on it if there was a problem with the fluid, otherwise he hasn't had a problem with it. If you want to nitpick the shifting is a little notchy but I haven't been around a trans that didn't have the lever going into the trans that wasn't... and none of them were new. Before I read of this being a "problem" I had blown it off as a tight new transmission.

Whatever you get, make sure you have a good dealership to make it right if there is a problem. I would have hurt the tech that was powershifting/joyriding that was in that thread. I have faith that both techs at my dealer would bend over backwards to try to make it right (one is my brother, the other is my former Assistant Scoutmaster... we've met)

Why would an internal ring gear be designed to have missing teeth?

I dunno, they look very too perfect to have been ripped off though. Usually when teeth break things are not near that nice, there is some of the tooth left or it is ripped out below the base of the tooth... I have never seen one let alone two broken teeth like that before. That is why I was wanting more info on what the heck it is, I see the guy that posted it said there were no broken gears so I wonder if it isn't normal.

I agree, forums are tough to judge a product. I recently got skunked on a rifle doing that... turned out they had just been bought out, plant shuttered and moved to another plant where they are aparently trying to figure out how to make them on their own in the dark.

 

[kemo]

From that very thread:



http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...smission-internal-shift-linkage-problems.html

I gave up on page four, they are skipping all over the place with different theories. It could be any of them I guess, if it is a big problem you can be darn sure they will come out with a fix one way or another. My brother changed the fluid in his because he wanted to get a jump on it if there was a problem with the fluid, otherwise he hasn't had a problem with it. If you want to nitpick the shifting is a little notchy but I haven't been around a trans that didn't have the lever going into the trans that wasn't... and none of them were new. Before I read of this being a "problem" I had blown it off as a tight new transmission.

Whatever you get, make sure you have a good dealership to make it right if there is a problem. I would have hurt the tech that was powershifting/joyriding that was in that thread. I have faith that both techs at my dealer would bend over backwards to try to make it right (one is my brother, the other is my former Assistant Scoutmaster... we've met)



I dunno, they look very too perfect to have been ripped off though. Usually when teeth break things are not near that nice, there is some of the tooth left or it is ripped out below the base of the tooth... I have never seen one let alone two broken teeth like that before. That is why I was wanting more info on what the heck it is, I see the guy that posted it said there were no broken gears so I wonder if it isn't normal.

I agree, forums are tough to judge a product. I recently got skunked on a rifle doing that... turned out they had just been bought out, plant shuttered and moved to another plant where they are aparently trying to figure out how to make them on their own in the dark.

The Ford dealership that I've bought from doesn't like to stand behind their product, or work. Example - I bring in my truck for warranty work, one of the pulley bearings is shot. They look at my belt, say it is shot, charge about 30 dollars. Now, when I get the truck back, it has a courtesy check sheet. The belt is one of the things checked in the courtesy check. You know what color box they checked? Green! I also have to double check their work, I had a MAF sensor replaced under warranty, they didn't tighten down the air duct, so dirt was getting in the intake (about the same amount you would with a K&N). I went back in to complain about that, the service manager guy says "oh that happens all the time, not a big deal". Hell, I bought a set of tires from them, they say "free rotations for life". As of lately, they reject the service. I called about 30 minutes before hand to see if they could do it, they said "no problem, we have plenty of time". As soon as I bring it in, they ask "what do you need done to it???" I tell them, they reject it.