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[Uncle Gump]

I heard some info on the news today about how many EV chargers were in CA vs what they say will be online by 2025. So I Googled a little.

Currently... under 14,000 public charging stations. Goal by 2025 is 250,000. They need to get around 280 new stations online each and every day to get there by 2025.

Now with their goal of 3.2 million public charging stations by 2035... they will need about 880 more stations each and every day for 10 years to meet that goal.

@Bill Does that sound right?

Holy smokes.... how in the world are they going to keep up with that demand?

If I lived there and was younger... I would figure out a way to capitalize on these installations.

 

[Bill]

I heard some info on the news today about how many EV chargers were in CA vs what they say will be online by 2025. So I Googled a little.

Currently... under 14,000 public charging stations. Goal by 2025 is 250,000. They need to get around 280 new stations online each and every day to get there by 2025.

Now with their goal of 3.2 million public charging stations by 2035... they will need about 880 more stations each and every day for 10 years to meet that goal.

@Bill Does that sound right?

Holy smokes.... how in the world are they going to keep up with that demand?

If I lived there and was younger... I would figure out a way to capitalize on these installations.

Really, I don't know. I thought there were more charging stations, but what I'm thinking of probably includes charging stations in school/college/university for the staff. There's quite a few of those here and most of them are supplemented with solar.

I would imagine the demand is going to correlate with the number of vehicles sold.

I've thought about looking for work in that field. I'm an IT suport tech. Even though you hear a lot of noise about the need for IT people, in the real world it's really tough to get a long-term full-time job with benefits in that field.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I heard some info on the news today about how many EV chargers were in CA vs what they say will be online by 2025. So I Googled a little.

Currently... under 14,000 public charging stations. Goal by 2025 is 250,000. They need to get around 280 new stations online each and every day to get there by 2025.

Now with their goal of 3.2 million public charging stations by 2035... they will need about 880 more stations each and every day for 10 years to meet that goal.

@Bill Does that sound right?

Holy smokes.... how in the world are they going to keep up with that demand?

If I lived there and was younger... I would figure out a way to capitalize on these installations.

I've thought that too.

If I put up a charging station here I would have the only one in 30 miles.

 

[Uncle Gump]

I was actually thinking more of an installer situation... bust your hump for the next 10 12 years... leave there fat and happy.

 

[Uncle Gump]

I kinda did the same thing in the pizza biz... but I got out.... ummm... just fat. Lol

 

[19Walt93]

To a certain extent, it is volume. Lakeland Ford is making its name as a volume internet parts store. When you get that kind of volume, your dealer price goes down.

No it doesn't but you might get better service from Ford when stuff is hard to get.

 

[stmitch]

I heard some info on the news today about how many EV chargers were in CA vs what they say will be online by 2025. So I Googled a little.

Currently... under 14,000 public charging stations. Goal by 2025 is 250,000. They need to get around 280 new stations online each and every day to get there by 2025.

Now with their goal of 3.2 million public charging stations by 2035... they will need about 880 more stations each and every day for 10 years to meet that goal.

Holy smokes.... how in the world are they going to keep up with that demand?

What I'm seeing shows between 70-80k chargers currently. Still a lot of work to be done:

Electric Vehicle Chargers in California

www.energy.ca.gov

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article264912319.html

Just as a related note:
Level 1 charging requires a regular 120v outlet and typically adds 3-4 miles of range per hour of charging. These might be adequate to replace or supplement short commutes. For example a PHEV with <50 miles of range and a 30 mile commute could drive to work, plug in and add 25+ miles of range over an 8hr work day or overnight period. The PHEV in this scenario would almost never use gas. These require the least amount of time, money and effort to add. (I've been fully charging my PHEV nightly with a Level 1 charger for years now.)

Level 2 charging requires a 240V outlet and typically adds 20-30 miles of range per hour of charging. These are better than level 1 chargers, but might be a bit overkill for situations like at-work charging. They're great for public places where people might park for shorter periods of time like grocery stores, shopping malls, churches, etc. And I'd guess that most homes and overnight parking situations go this route to cover their bases and make Time Of Use billing easier.

Level 3 charging is a DC fast charger. These can add hundreds of miles of range per hour of charging. They're the most expensive and difficult to install. They're great for people on long distance trips so they'll be prioritized along highways, etc. If we continue with the current status quo, and treat EV charging like gas fill ups, these will need to be more prevalent in areas where people can't charge where they park for long periods of time. But I'm not sure that driving to a special location and expecting to "fill up" the battery in a matter of minutes is going to be a common approach for people just going about their daily lives in 10-15 years. My money is on people figuring out that it's much easier, more convenient, and likely cheaper to just plug in wherever they park for long periods of time rather than making a special trip to "fill up" at a high speed charger. Time will tell.

If I lived there and was younger... I would figure out a way to capitalize on these installations.

Yup! There's going to be a ton of money sloshing around for this. A motivated person could definitely capitalize.

 

[oldgeek]

There are concerns of the environmental impact of retired turbine blades. Well, be concerned no more!

Wind turbine blades could be recycled into gummy bears, scientists say

Researchers design composite resin for blades that can be broken down to make new products including sweets

www.theguardian.com

Ohhh, yummy

 

[Uncle Gump]

@stmitch I can see now how the numbers I found could be off with the link you posted.

I know I searched on public chargers. I also think my search keyed in on the fast chargers also. Without adding that string of numbers... my 14k estimate seems more reasonable

 

[fastpakr]

It's hard to find concrete numbers on the current state... This article from a month ago indicates 250k shared chargers and 10k fast chargers by 2025, with current numbers at 80k shared/7k fast.

If (big if) my math is right, that leaves ~175 weeks to get to the goal state by the end of 2025 assuming the numbers were up to date as of the end of July. That's about 17 fast chargers per week and 1000 'shared' chargers. The fast charger goal seems very reasonable. No idea about the shared charger growth.

 

[Uncle Gump]

It's a big task no matter how you look at it...

To complicate things... with 7.5 million single family homes as of 2021... assuming most will do level 2 chargers... that makes these charging stations a monumental task.

 

[RonD]

Level 2 is not that hard to do in homes
Most homes have two 120volt lines already, for 240volt
Electric oven/stove or electric clothes dryer often use 240volt with 30 or 40amp breaker

You can install a shared breaker/switch that will always default to the Level 2 plug-in, unless the Oven or Drier is being used
Its a simple current detection circuit
When Oven or Drier is turned on breaker/switch turns off the Level 2 charger and Oven or Drier gets the 40amps, its automatic
Ovens and driers are only on a few hours a day, sometimes a few hours a week, lol
And most people don't cook or dry clothes between 10pm and 6am, and those hours are also the cheapest power rates


And most people only drive 40miles a day, if that, since 39 miles a day is the AVERAGE

US DOT says 2019 average is 14,000miles a year, so 1,166miles a month, and 39 miles a day
53 miles a day if no driving on week ends, lol

Batteries like the ones used in EVs should not be recharged daily unless its needed, charging heats up the batteries so the fewer recharge cycles the better, within reason
So unless you are driving 200+ miles a day there is no reason to recharge daily, and reasons not to

So one Level 2 charger could be used for 2 or 3 EVs as needed, using alternating days

 

[fastpakr]

Batteries like the ones used in EVs should not be recharged daily unless its needed, charging heats up the batteries so the fewer recharge cycles the better, within reason
So unless you are driving 200+ miles a day there is no reason to recharge daily, and reasons not to

Is that still the case when just topping off the small amount for a day's drive, when the charging rate is automatically kept low? I'd assumed there were no heating issues since it wouldn't do any fast charging in that situation.

 

[DeathRanger]

Is that still the case when just topping off the small amount for a day's drive, when the charging rate is automatically kept low? I'd assumed there were no heating issues since it wouldn't do any fast charging in that situation.

Yes charging curves affect all current EV's but affects each manufacturer differently

https://www.chargepoint.com/blog/common-dc-fast-charging-curves-and-how-find-yours

 

[RonD]

Yes, I am sure there are heat, and cold, sensors

There are people, like my Daughter, that panic if gas gauge gets below 1/2
My gas gauge is always below 1/2, so don't know where she got that from, I hate hauling around useless weight when gas stations are all around me, let "them" haul the gas to where "I" need it

In any case I think a lot of people, like my Daughter, will constantly be plugging in to public chargers when there is no need to, when she goes electric
I think they should put a flashing light and siren on public chargers that go off when EV battery charge is above say 75% when EV is first plugged in, shame the "overchargers" to get out of that spot and let someone else who needs it park there