Something I've noticed about people's opinions on the new Ford Ranger

[Craig0320]

My '02 F-150 has 164k on it (139k put on it by me over the last 13 years) and in addition to the typical high mileage fun rust has really taken hold. Happens to every older truck. You probably don't have a lot of that down there.

I do know I don't like how much bigger the new F-150's are. 3v 5.4 issues have taken the 04-10's off the list and the 11+ don't seem to get affordable until they have the same mileage as what I have already.

Low mile used is within a few thousand of new, I haven't really found a good direction to go.

Rust is not an issue down here. There are a ton of older vehicles still on the roadway in South Ms. My 98 ranger has very minimal surface rust plus I painted over it anyways. A business next to my work bought a 2015 f150 this year with 22k that came out of Pennsylvania.most of the bolts on the engine are rusted and the undercarriage is the same. It blows my mind how quick it sets in. I truly feel sorry for ya'll in the north.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Is there a reason people think there should be a big price difference between the Ranger and F-150?

Although it's a little smaller in size, there is still a production process involved. Just as many parts, and time to build.

I wouldn't expect it to be any more than say $10,000 less at the most.

Competitive sized trucks run about $10k less than their similar equipped fullsize counterpart.

Not sure about actual difference but a steel body should be cheaper as well (especially one in production since 2011)

 

[DanInVA]

I blame inflation, partially. I bought a 2007 ranger used in 2007 with 17k miles for $12k, and drove it for quite a while. It was pretty basic, originally stickered for about $18k IIRC. When I started looking at newer trucks, I was taken aback by how much they cost. When I step back and look at inflation though, I remember that I am counting 2018 dollars, not 2007 dollars.

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[Craig0320]

I think everything got more expensive after the government mandated this tier 4 emissions crap. Lots of money was spent on r & d to make it work. Damn dpf muffler is anywhere from 2k to 6k depending on what brand. I know agriculture use they say they are good for 5k hours but geez. Then you have all the electronics integrated into the computer systems for emissions.

 

[Jim Oaks]

I find it unlikely that 100 years from now, some guys going to have a collectors garage filled with vehicles from then 2000's. It will all be scrap.

Inflation, cost of living, minimum wage, it's all crazy. Inflation goes up, minimum wage goes up. It's a crazy cycle that seems pointless.

 

[priceman142]

Price will definitely be an issue when the ranger first goes on sale. I remember when the new colorados came out - the dealers only had the most expensive models in stock, 4x4 4-door cab with the long bed - the only extended cab models available were z71s.

So if price is a concern, I'd wait a model year for the initial demand to die down.

 

[2002edgeplussupercab]

I think everything got more expensive after the government mandated this tier 4 emissions crap. Lots of money was spent on r & d to make it work. Damn dpf muffler is anywhere from 2k to 6k depending on what brand. I know agriculture use they say they are good for 5k hours but geez. Then you have all the electronics integrated into the computer systems for emissions.

What is a dpf muffler ?

 

[pjtoledo]

diesel particulate filter????

 

[blksn8k]

What is a dpf muffler ?

I sure hope it doesn't have bearings.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I sure hope it doesn't have bearings.

Actually just about everything with a DEF exhaust kinda does have muffler bearings... in the turbocharger.

 

[4x4junkie]

I think everything got more expensive after the government mandated this tier 4 emissions crap. Lots of money was spent on r & d to make it work. Damn dpf muffler is anywhere from 2k to 6k depending on what brand. I know agriculture use they say they are good for 5k hours but geez. Then you have all the electronics integrated into the computer systems for emissions.

I'm sure that's certainly part of it, however I think a much bigger reason is all of the electronical safety nanny crap that the government has been mandating lately to try to combat some of the incidents rampant involving idiots who can't be bothered to put their damn cell phones away while they drive. So much of the research is verifying that these systems actually do anything at all to help, without too much overly negative annoyance.

I paid $17K and some change for my 1994 Ranger brand new in 1994. The same truck today (as similar to it as you can get, anyway) is about $33-35K, so it's literally doubled since then. It's not entirely due to inflation either... Last I checked, a dollar today is still worth about 65-70% of what it was in 1994.

 

[wildbill23c]

I'm sure that's certainly part of it, however I think a much bigger reason is all of the electronical safety nanny crap that the government has been mandating lately to try to combat some of the incidents rampant involving idiots who can't be bothered to put their damn cell phones away while they drive. So much of the research is verifying that these systems actually do anything at all to help, without too much overly negative annoyance.

I paid $17K and some change for my 1994 Ranger brand new in 1994. The same truck today (as similar to it as you can get, anyway) is about $33-35K, so it's literally doubled since then. It's not entirely due to inflation either... Last I checked, a dollar today is still worth about 65-70% of what it was in 1994.

You said it in big bold letters ^^^. Rather than punishing those who obviously have no business owning a vehicle let alone driving one they decide to put electronic shit in a vehicle that doesn't do a damn thing to fix the problem, just makes people more stupid because now they think hey I got this $50k SUV with 20 airbags to save my sorry ass when I'm playing on my phone while flying down the freeway at 100mph not looking at the road or anything else going on.

They could save several thousand dollars by removing all the damn safety nannies and installing a frequency scrambler that will automatically activate as soon as the vehicle is put into gear and scrambles all phone frequencies rendering the device completely useless until the vehicle is stopped and put in park or neutral...Can't remember what it was called but we had similar devices in our HMMWV's in Iraq that scrambled a certain range of frequencies trying to thwart any roadside bomb (IED) detonations via radio, and remote control...they worked very well, so well it even prevented us from using our own SINCGARS radios LOL.

 

[2002edgeplussupercab]

You are all wrong. All this electronic dumb-ass driver babysitting is leading us to self-driving cars and trucks.

 

[Craig0320]

You said it in big bold letters ^^^. Rather than punishing those who obviously have no business owning a vehicle let alone driving one they decide to put electronic shit in a vehicle that doesn't do a damn thing to fix the problem, just makes people more stupid because now they think hey I got this $50k SUV with 20 airbags to save my sorry ass when I'm playing on my phone while flying down the freeway at 100mph not looking at the road or anything else going on.

They could save several thousand dollars by removing all the damn safety nannies and installing a frequency scrambler that will automatically activate as soon as the vehicle is put into gear and scrambles all phone frequencies rendering the device completely useless until the vehicle is stopped and put in park or neutral...Can't remember what it was called but we had similar devices in our HMMWV's in Iraq that scrambled a certain range of frequencies trying to thwart any roadside bomb (IED) detonations via radio, and remote control...they worked very well, so well it even prevented us from using our own SINCGARS radios LOL.

LOL Spot on Bill. The government has mandated back up cameras on all newer vehicles. Manufactures have been getting ready for it since late 2013. The mandate probably stems from peta wanting to protect stab rabbits and fart squirrels from getting backed over.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I'm sure that's certainly part of it, however I think a much bigger reason is all of the electronical safety nanny crap that the government has been mandating lately to try to combat some of the incidents rampant involving idiots who can't be bothered to put their damn cell phones away while they drive. So much of the research is verifying that these systems actually do anything at all to help, without too much overly negative annoyance.

I paid $17K and some change for my 1994 Ranger brand new in 1994. The same truck today (as similar to it as you can get, anyway) is about $33-35K, so it's literally doubled since then. It's not entirely due to inflation either... Last I checked, a dollar today is still worth about 65-70% of what it was in 1994.

But on the other hand the stuff that made a '94 cost more than an '84 has gotten cheaper, fuel injection, airbags, ABS etc.

IMO they charge it because people will pay it. Everybody complains about the price but they still sell F-150's as fast as they can build them... so why would they want to knock $10k off the price?