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I don't remember the rpm of my current compressor motor in the shop but it's a beast for a compressor I have $120 in total... $30 for the compressor, $75 for the water separator and I think $13 for a new belt... after some tinkering finding a reed valve screw in the check valve (wasn't missing any reed valve screws oddly enough) and getting rid of the leaky water separator that was on it when I got it it's been on for over a year and if I don't leave things connected to the quick connect on the end of the hose it doesn't cycle that I've noticed... I've heard bad things about PVC as well, something about shrapnel if it does fail... not sure what I'm going to do, a buddy did his in semi air line parts which sounds interesting...

Before I got this compressor my previous $25 estate sale find compressor needed a motor and I went to Harbor Freight and found an open box compressor duty motor for like 30% off or more, had to buy a pulley on Amazon since the shaft was different size than what was on it... that compressor isn't near as good, the check valve leaks and it doesn't flow near as much air but it built my shop so was worth the effort getting it going... speaking of which I should put that compressor on the gregs list (no I don't need no snapper turtle) to make room in the shed... I also need to make a shed for my current compressor to get it out of the shop and plumb up the shop, but there's another long list of stuff needs done before that...

Today other than work I went to home depot again to pick up some scraper blades, new is nicer than old and ground wrong, took forever to get home tonight from an accident in the middle of my commute so I didn't have much in me though.

Afterthought, it slipped my mind, the old saying “a men’s air compressor indicates the size of his…”

“……power tool.”

5 hp and a 60 gallon tank, that’s a pretty large system! You must trip over yourself. A little Rustoleum, imagine how glorious it would be (on the air tank, not on the tool).

Run with it, I wish I had a big compressor like that, but turn down the pressure when nobody’s looking.

😂😜
 
A few thoughts, none of this is meant as criticism:

... and won't be taken as such. I am going break it down as it's easier for me to respond that way, I'm not critizing either just continuing the discussion.

Warning, I started chasing a rabbit down a hole, to include some questionable napkin math fueled by googlefu.

First, don’t put a higher pressure limit relief valve on it. Never in your wildest dreams do you want to put an increased pressure relief valve on anything. If you think PVC pipe is exciting when it explodes, go online and look at ruptured air tanks. They’ll take the building down at the same time they take your head off.

The original form of my compressor was 60 Gal 3.5 HP single piston pump rated at 130 PSI Max. About the only original pieces left are the pressure vessel (tank), the safety valve, and the pressure guage.

The pressure vessel is actually rated at 150 PSI working pressure, that is from the actual manufacturer of the pressure vessel and a separate label from the "compressor manufacturer" spec label. The 130 PSI max was original pump limit.

The pump was upgraded by the PO to a dual piston rated for a maximum of 145 PSI @ 1050 RPM. At max output, the pump is 5 PSI shy of tank working pressure. Pump is still brand new, he gave up on it when his motor failed. I'm powering the pump with the recommended 5 HP motor which turns 3450 RPM. Due to available pulley sizes the pump will only spin at about 1011 RPM, which should put the actual max pressure a little shy of the rated 145 PSI max.

New control switch was required due to missing parts and not knowing what the PO did to it that killed the motor. New control switch is (supposedly) preset at 105 PSI cut in and 135 PSI cut out. As preset, it'll kick off before the the pump reaches it's max output, and about 15 PSI before tank reaches rated working pressure.

Original safety valve appears to be set at 130 PSI to match the original pump's max pressure. I am suggesting to install a 140 PSI safety valve which is still likely under the new pump's potential max pressure, and about 10 PSI below the tank's rated working pressure.

I have been taking pressure ratings into account when thinking about all of this.

As regards to copper, I considered that, and I just looked, but I can’t find it right now, but I saw something where the solder joints on copper are actually weaker than the PVC pipe. When you glue the PVC pipe, it’s basically all one solid piece of plastic. With enough pressure, the sweat joints can pop loose. Didn’t make sense to me when I read it, but I did read it. Point being, be careful.

That is another reason I'm likely to go steel over copper. I have very little experience sweat soldering a copper joint. It would be an opportunity to learn, but threaded iron connections would be more durable and likely easier for me to make a good seal. I'm not just talking about burst pressure durability. I'm also thinking about moving things around in the shop and causing physical damage to the pipe. Things that would crush copper pipe will bounce off of iron pipe.

And then let me say, I always used to run my air systems at home at 100 or 120 psi. Then I had an epiphany about a dozen years ago, that I never really need air over about 50 or 60 psi for the stuff I’m doing. if you use a strong air impact wrench, that takes some pressure. But for 90% of the stuff, why would you need that much air pressure? Just trying to help you think it out

For general work I run air tool at 100 PSI. I run air tools on 100 PSI all day every day at work for over 18 years. It works 90% of the time and I don't see any reason to mix up the formula at home. That said there are a few times where having more available could be beneficial.

Here's the thing I'm more interested in, bear with me because I might be doing a poor job of explaining my point. I might operate tools at 100 PSI or less more than 90% of the time, but tank pressure also affects working and cycle time. A 60 Gallon tank at 135 PSI is going to output that 100 PSI a fair bit longer than the same 60 gallon tank at say 110 PSI. That 25 PSI change is about another 14 cubic foot of air volume in the tank, which means the tank outputs longer before the pump has to cut on and would be an even more noticable difference at lower operating pressures. Also more CF of air in the tank = more tires inflated before pump kicks back on. To put that in terms of your favorite tire size (the 14s you've been collecting), it would fill an additional 3 tires to from empty to 35 PSI before the compressor kicks on.

Another way of thinking about it. If I'm running a tool at 100 PSI. If the compressor is set to kick on at 90 and off at 120 (where dad wants to run it), then the pressure at the tool is going to drop before the pump kicks on. If the switch is set at 105 and 135, the compressor will kick on, fill up, and kick off before a pressure drop is noticed at the tool. Might not ever matter much in practice, but I can tell you that it was always annoying loosing even a little air pressure at work.

Finally, compressed air costs a lot of money in electricity. If you run half the pressure, it doesn’t cut the electric bill by half, it cuts it by the square root.

Nothing critical, not ever, just food for thought. Hope it helps.

Electricity use when running a compressor is one thing I am NOT concerned about. It likely won't make a noticable impact on my bill because if I'm using it I'm not using other power hungry devices I'd be using instead, and electricity here is relatively cheap compared to other areas around me.

I warned you, chasing a rabbit down a hole. Wondering when Morpheus is going to appear and offer me a red or blue pill. Right now if the blue pill helped me sleep, I might take it.
 
Usually there is an rpm range for the pumps. Let's say 800 to 1200 rpm. Slower rpm is quieter. I don't believe that the pressure reached is changed tho the fill time is.
I have a frankenpressor that puts out about 10 cfm on a portable 25 gallon tank. Also have another that puts out 18 cfm on a 60gallon tank. Both run on true 5hp 240V motors. Both motors are rated for 22 amps, which is what I've always read is what a 5hp motor will use. The motor plates also say 5hp.
I want to convert the 60gallon to gas. I think I have most of the parts to do so, just waiting for better weather and some energy.
 
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Afterthought, it slipped my mind, the old saying “a men’s air compressor indicates the size of his…”

“……power tool.”

5 hp and a 60 gallon tank, that’s a pretty large system! You must trip over yourself. A little Rustoleum, imagine how glorious it would be (on the air tank, not on the tool).

Run with it, I wish I had a big compressor like that, but turn down the pressure when nobody’s looking.

😂😜

That's why I'm getting my franken compressor together. I've had a 20 gallon 1.5-2 HP compressor for a long time. Was never adequate for much more than inflating tires and even that was lacking. I really didn't like what it said about the size of my "power tool." I could run a small power tool, but frequently had to wait for the compressor to catch up. I've wanted a big compressor for a while to I could enjoy showing off my big power tool.

If I'd bought new I'd probably have been buying a 5-7 HP with an 80 gallon tank. Never wanted to come off the $1500+ for the 60 gallon much less the more expensive 80. Found my 60 Gallon franken compressor for $150, with a new 5 HP pump, bad motor and switch. Had a used motor (pump too actually) from an old Sears Craftsman (25 gallon?) 5hp compressor. Probably about another $100 spent between prerssure switch, motor pulley, and belts. Still need to get a pressure regulator for output and a new hose. I think I'll be a lot happier with my $300 franken compressor than one of those expensive new units.
 
... and won't be taken as such. I am going break it down as it's easier for me to respond that way, I'm not critizing either just continuing the discussion.

Warning, I started chasing a rabbit down a hole, to include some questionable napkin math fueled by googlefu.



The original form of my compressor was 60 Gal 3.5 HP single piston pump rated at 130 PSI Max. About the only original pieces left are the pressure vessel (tank), the safety valve, and the pressure guage.

The pressure vessel is actually rated at 150 PSI working pressure, that is from the actual manufacturer of the pressure vessel and a separate label from the "compressor manufacturer" spec label. The 130 PSI max was original pump limit.

The pump was upgraded by the PO to a dual piston rated for a maximum of 145 PSI @ 1050 RPM. At max output, the pump is 5 PSI shy of tank working pressure. Pump is still brand new, he gave up on it when his motor failed. I'm powering the pump with the recommended 5 HP motor which turns 3450 RPM. Due to available pulley sizes the pump will only spin at about 1011 RPM, which should put the actual max pressure a little shy of the rated 145 PSI max.

New control switch was required due to missing parts and not knowing what the PO did to it that killed the motor. New control switch is (supposedly) preset at 105 PSI cut in and 135 PSI cut out. As preset, it'll kick off before the the pump reaches it's max output, and about 15 PSI before tank reaches rated working pressure.

Original safety valve appears to be set at 130 PSI to match the original pump's max pressure. I am suggesting to install a 140 PSI safety valve which is still likely under the new pump's potential max pressure, and about 10 PSI below the tank's rated working pressure.

I have been taking pressure ratings into account when thinking about all of this.



That is another reason I'm likely to go steel over copper. I have very little experience sweat soldering a copper joint. It would be an opportunity to learn, but threaded iron connections would be more durable and likely easier for me to make a good seal. I'm not just talking about burst pressure durability. I'm also thinking about moving things around in the shop and causing physical damage to the pipe. Things that would crush copper pipe will bounce off of iron pipe.



For general work I run air tool at 100 PSI. I run air tools on 100 PSI all day every day at work for over 18 years. It works 90% of the time and I don't see any reason to mix up the formula at home. That said there are a few times where having more available could be beneficial.

Here's the thing I'm more interested in, bear with me because I might be doing a poor job of explaining my point. I might operate tools at 100 PSI or less more than 90% of the time, but tank pressure also affects working and cycle time. A 60 Gallon tank at 135 PSI is going to output that 100 PSI a fair bit longer than the same 60 gallon tank at say 110 PSI. That 25 PSI change is about another 14 cubic foot of air volume in the tank, which means the tank outputs longer before the pump has to cut on and would be an even more noticable difference at lower operating pressures. Also more CF of air in the tank = more tires inflated before pump kicks back on. To put that in terms of your favorite tire size (the 14s you've been collecting), it would fill an additional 3 tires to from empty to 35 PSI before the compressor kicks on.

Another way of thinking about it. If I'm running a tool at 100 PSI. If the compressor is set to kick on at 90 and off at 120 (where dad wants to run it), then the pressure at the tool is going to drop before the pump kicks on. If the switch is set at 105 and 135, the compressor will kick on, fill up, and kick off before a pressure drop is noticed at the tool. Might not ever matter much in practice, but I can tell you that it was always annoying loosing even a little air pressure at work.



Electricity use when running a compressor is one thing I am NOT concerned about. It likely won't make a noticable impact on my bill because if I'm using it I'm not using other power hungry devices I'd be using instead, and electricity here is relatively cheap compared to other areas around me.

I warned you, chasing a rabbit down a hole. Wondering when Morpheus is going to appear and offer me a red or blue pill. Right now if the blue pill helped me sleep, I might take it.
Sounds like you've got it under control. Have fun.
 
Usually there is an rpm range for the pumps. Let's say 800 to 1200 rpm. Slower rpm is quieter. I don't believe that the pressure reached is changed tho the fill time is.
I have a frankenpressor that puts out about 10 cfm on a portable 25 gallon tank. Also have another that puts out 18 cfm on a 60gallon tank. Both run on true 5hp 240V motors. Both motors are rated for 22 amps, which is what I've always read is what a 5hp motor will use. The motor plates also say 5hp.

I'll have to take your word for that.

I only know max rated RPM for this pump is 1050 and it is supposed to put out 17.3 CFM @ 40 PSI and 15.2 CFM @ 90 PSI. I couldn't tell you how that varies with pump RPM. I imagine that even slightly slowed down at 1011 RPM that should be enough for most of the uses I'll have.

Dad says that it runs quieter than his 3.5 hp 60 gallon Hobart (?) compressor. I haven't compared them myself, but his seems quieter than those little 20 gallon POSes that I've been using.

Sounds like you've got it under control. Have fun.
I hope so. I will, if I can find time to use it after getting it set up at my house. I got some projects planned that will go a lot better with a bit of air power.
 
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The little one looks a lot like what my motor came from. It was the old red sears craftsman, but same layout and the pump looks almost the same. We've still got the pump from it too and before finding the one I bought I'd have been happy with just find a new tank to mount both on.

That big one is a hoss, that 3 piston single stage pump aught to flow. Is it 18 CFM @ 90? Mine is two piston single stage with 15 CFM @ 90 and I'd expect that three cylinder to flow even better.
 
I believe it's 18 @ 90psi. I'll have to time it from empty to full to find out for sure. I just finished getting it running and winter hit so I haven't done any more with it.
 
... and won't be taken as such. I am going break it down as it's easier for me to respond that way, I'm not critizing either just continuing the discussion.

Warning, I started chasing a rabbit down a hole, to include some questionable napkin math fueled by googlefu.



The original form of my compressor was 60 Gal 3.5 HP single piston pump rated at 130 PSI Max. About the only original pieces left are the pressure vessel (tank), the safety valve, and the pressure guage.

The pressure vessel is actually rated at 150 PSI working pressure, that is from the actual manufacturer of the pressure vessel and a separate label from the "compressor manufacturer" spec label. The 130 PSI max was original pump limit.

The pump was upgraded by the PO to a dual piston rated for a maximum of 145 PSI @ 1050 RPM. At max output, the pump is 5 PSI shy of tank working pressure. Pump is still brand new, he gave up on it when his motor failed. I'm powering the pump with the recommended 5 HP motor which turns 3450 RPM. Due to available pulley sizes the pump will only spin at about 1011 RPM, which should put the actual max pressure a little shy of the rated 145 PSI max.

New control switch was required due to missing parts and not knowing what the PO did to it that killed the motor. New control switch is (supposedly) preset at 105 PSI cut in and 135 PSI cut out. As preset, it'll kick off before the the pump reaches it's max output, and about 15 PSI before tank reaches rated working pressure.

Original safety valve appears to be set at 130 PSI to match the original pump's max pressure. I am suggesting to install a 140 PSI safety valve which is still likely under the new pump's potential max pressure, and about 10 PSI below the tank's rated working pressure.

I have been taking pressure ratings into account when thinking about all of this.



That is another reason I'm likely to go steel over copper. I have very little experience sweat soldering a copper joint. It would be an opportunity to learn, but threaded iron connections would be more durable and likely easier for me to make a good seal. I'm not just talking about burst pressure durability. I'm also thinking about moving things around in the shop and causing physical damage to the pipe. Things that would crush copper pipe will bounce off of iron pipe.



For general work I run air tool at 100 PSI. I run air tools on 100 PSI all day every day at work for over 18 years. It works 90% of the time and I don't see any reason to mix up the formula at home. That said there are a few times where having more available could be beneficial.

Here's the thing I'm more interested in, bear with me because I might be doing a poor job of explaining my point. I might operate tools at 100 PSI or less more than 90% of the time, but tank pressure also affects working and cycle time. A 60 Gallon tank at 135 PSI is going to output that 100 PSI a fair bit longer than the same 60 gallon tank at say 110 PSI. That 25 PSI change is about another 14 cubic foot of air volume in the tank, which means the tank outputs longer before the pump has to cut on and would be an even more noticable difference at lower operating pressures. Also more CF of air in the tank = more tires inflated before pump kicks back on. To put that in terms of your favorite tire size (the 14s you've been collecting), it would fill an additional 3 tires to from empty to 35 PSI before the compressor kicks on.

Another way of thinking about it. If I'm running a tool at 100 PSI. If the compressor is set to kick on at 90 and off at 120 (where dad wants to run it), then the pressure at the tool is going to drop before the pump kicks on. If the switch is set at 105 and 135, the compressor will kick on, fill up, and kick off before a pressure drop is noticed at the tool. Might not ever matter much in practice, but I can tell you that it was always annoying loosing even a little air pressure at work.



Electricity use when running a compressor is one thing I am NOT concerned about. It likely won't make a noticable impact on my bill because if I'm using it I'm not using other power hungry devices I'd be using instead, and electricity here is relatively cheap compared to other areas around me.

I warned you, chasing a rabbit down a hole. Wondering when Morpheus is going to appear and offer me a red or blue pill. Right now if the blue pill helped me sleep, I might take it.

Actually, well spoken…

First thing, that’s not with the blue pill does. It has something to do with raising a tent.

I understood all of the things you said, and all of your reasoning. A couple little comments:

The compressor is rated at a certain CFM based on the speed it’s turned. If the power tool you’re using consumes less CFM, the pressure to the tool should never drop, the compressor produces faster than it’s used, so the tank will turn on and off without any pressure drop.

Second thought is about running the compressor at the maximum rating. You might want to do a few minutes of research on the capacity, and the working life. My point is, there are many machines where, if you run them at maximum capacity all the time, their life is greatly reduced. It’s along the lines of, something like a power inverter that has a running rating, and then a peak rating. If you run it at the peak all the time, it won’t last long.

And I’ll state my comment about electricity consumption again. 5 hp is a lot of power, it adds up. At least wire it to 220 V instead of 110 if you have that option.

as always, hope it helps!
 
Actually, well spoken…

First thing, that’s not with the blue pill does. It has something to do with raising a tent.

I understood all of the things you said, and all of your reasoning. A couple little comments:

The compressor is rated at a certain CFM based on the speed it’s turned. If the power tool you’re using consumes less CFM, the pressure to the tool should never drop, the compressor produces faster than it’s used, so the tank will turn on and off without any pressure drop.

Second thought is about running the compressor at the maximum rating. You might want to do a few minutes of research on the capacity, and the working life. My point is, there are many machines where, if you run them at maximum capacity all the time, their life is greatly reduced. It’s along the lines of, something like a power inverter that has a running rating, and then a peak rating. If you run it at the peak all the time, it won’t last long.

And I’ll state my comment about electricity consumption again. 5 hp is a lot of power, it adds up. At least wire it to 220 V instead of 110 if you have that option.

as always, hope it helps!

Wrong blue pill. Matrix blue pill. IIRC Morpheus said something like the blue pill makes you go to sleep and wake up in the morning like nothing happened, Red pill makes you wake up and see how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Blue = carry on in blissful ignorance. Red = see shit for what it really is.. Going off memory here, been more than a few years since I watched the movie. I was mostly referring to almost being willing to accept the blissful ignorance if it meant getting a good night sleep

I wouldn't be running at max rating. My understanding is that the pump is rated for that at continuous duty, it will not see continuous duty. Also, it is a serviceable oil filled pump, not the cheap oil less direct drive that is so common.

It is wired for 220. Still got to put a 220 outlet in the shed.
 
I fabbed up a couple of rear brake lines for our 02 Exp. Sport Trac..
Project is coming along slowly, but no rush

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Nice bends! I can never seem to get them looking that good. Are you using steel or nicop?
 
The compressor is rated at a certain CFM based on the speed it’s turned. If the power tool you’re using consumes less CFM, the pressure to the tool should never drop, the compressor produces faster than it’s used, so the tank will turn on and off without any pressure drop.
The pressure to the tool will fluctuate between the on/off settings of the pressure switch. UNLESS…

You have a regulator on the output of the tank limiting pressure to the tool AND the pressure switch “on” setting is above the regulator setting. IE; regulator set to send 90psi to tools. But pressure switch set to ON at 100psi and OFF at 125psi
 

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