Toyota... even more shady?

[Original_Ranger84]

Do you have any data to support this claim?



The batteries last the life of the vehicle. When hybrids first came out, everyone said the batteries wouldn't last and they'd cost a fortune to replace. Well, they been around for over 12 years now and guess what....nobody has had to replace the batteries!! There are literally thousands of people with over 150k-200k on the original battery. Toyota say the battery lasts the life of the vehicle....AND IT DOES. The battery actually has a 10 year/100k mile warranty. Even IF you had to replace the battery after that period, you can one out of a junkyard for about $300.

As a matter of fact... i don't have any avalible but after attending many engineering seminars I can safely say yes. The batteries alone cost a ton to make and alot of resources, and it takes alot of energy to make them. They take twice the copper of a regular car for all the extra wires, and the nickle in the batteries, theres alot and that stuff needs mined (granted so does everything else for vehicles, but these are harder to come by, Had a debate weather a mine should open in Alaska and most of the supplies would go towards guess what... hybrids.)

Actually in Extreme condition living you do have to replace the batteries in a few years time... I know 3 people up in alaska that sold their hybrids because they had to replace the batteries last year... Hasn't even been 10 years yet...

 

[Original_Ranger84]

One more thing that no one has brought up. The number of recalled vehicles isn't the number that are broken. It's the number to manufacturer wants to come in to make sure they aren't broken. When Ford recalls hundreds of thousands of vehicles, not nearly that many are actually in need of repair. Same with Toyota.

I have never seen a congressional hearing over a voluntary recall.

Well yeah, the recall is he number that could potentially break, My truck had a recall about the cruise control lighting the truck up... did it? obviously not, could it? most certainly, would it have? maybe... Chances are most of those vehicles would be just fine for the remainder of their lifes, no matter what company, they just recall of of them for safety reasons and covering their butts, if you bring it in and get it fixed well awesome, if not well they warned you about it.

I agree with your point but those are also voluntary recalls as in no immediate danger to the owner and others, wait are they having a hearing for toyota?

 

[JohnnyO]

I have never seen a congressional hearing over a voluntary recall.

It's because the govt has a conflict of interest since they partly own GM. It's their chance to take some shots and damage a non-union competitor.

 

[Ranger Sport Honduras]

Thanks for reminding me about my wifes POS Altima!!!

sorry lol
i learned about that when i was planning to get a nissan sentra se-r spec v
nice machine for racing, but the damn precat is too close to the engine.

the new gen spec v had a built in oil pressure gauge in the cluster
because owners added those to keep an eye on oil because of the damaged engines.
at least they noticed owners wanted a real oil pressure gauge

 

[2813josh]

Th GM recall is for the motor in the electric power assist steering..

 

[Jason]

That Nissan precat recall is so damn old if there is one out there that isn't fixed the owner was simply lazy. I was slinging those across the counter in 2006.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

I'd still buy Toyota over GM or Chrysler. In fact, if they were the last two automakers on the planet I'd buy a used Toyota.

 

[Tominator]

Do you have any data to support this claim?



The batteries last the life of the vehicle. When hybrids first came out, everyone said the batteries wouldn't last and they'd cost a fortune to replace. Well, they been around for over 12 years now and guess what....nobody has had to replace the batteries!! There are literally thousands of people with over 150k-200k on the original battery. Toyota say the battery lasts the life of the vehicle....AND IT DOES. The battery actually has a 10 year/100k mile warranty. Even IF you had to replace the battery after that period, you can one out of a junkyard for about $300.

Have you ever researched the environmental disaster that surrounds the area where the materials used in the battery are mined?

The 'life of the vehicle?' Excuse me! There is a thriving market in replacement batteries for hybrid cars and putting that nickel hydride battery in a typical junk yard is illegal!

On the other hand I know of a group of engineers that get 100MPG out of the Prius with very little tweaking and based on a newly designed battery....and it ain't cheap!

 

[59bisquik]

I'd still buy Toyota over GM or Chrysler. In fact, if they were the last two automakers on the planet I'd buy a used Toyota

We currently have a 2007 5.7L 4x4 Tundra as our tow vehicle. We have never had a single issue with it and absolutely love it. Matter of fact, next month we are trading it in for a 2010 Tundra!

 

[adsm08]

If the govt would simply ban the automatic transmission we wouldn't have this problem.

I can only dream. Then you actually have to have skill to be allowed to drive then.

 

[exbass94]

Have you ever researched the environmental disaster that surrounds the area where the materials used in the battery are mined?

Yes I have, apparently YOU didn't do any research at all. I found out that the Sudbury nickel mine plant has been mining nickel in that location since the 1800s (LOOONNNG before hybrids were even invented) and THAT'S when the environmental damage has occurred. They have since cleaned up their act and it is not nearly as detrimental to the environment.

Furthermore, Toyota buys a grand total of 0.5% of the nickel produced there. The rest is sold to other companies that have nothing to do with hybrid cars.

The 'life of the vehicle?' Excuse me! There is a thriving market in replacement batteries for hybrid cars and putting that nickel hydride battery in a typical junk yard is illegal!

Like I said, the battery has a 10 year/100k mile warranty. This "thriving market" consists of selling batteries that were damaged in an accident, or vehicles with over 100k miles. The batteries don't last forever, but they last the "life of the vehicle" the same way an automatic transmission lasts the life of the vehicle. Many engines, transmissions, etc in all vehicles have been rebuilt/replaced even though they're supposed to last the life of the vehicle too.

There's a "thriving market" for engines and transmissions too, does that mean that they always die every 40k miles?

Junkyards can take the batteries and resell them. They simply have to dispose of them properly. According to your logic, junkyards wouldn't be able to accept cars with gas, oil, ATF, regular lead-acid batteries either, but they do and they simply dispose/recycle it properly.

 

[exbass94]

As a matter of fact... i don't have any avalible but after attending many engineering seminars I can safely say yes. The batteries alone cost a ton to make and alot of resources, and it takes alot of energy to make them.

Again, without any acutal numbers or figures, this statement is pretty much meaningless.
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theres alot and that stuff needs mined (granted so does everything else for vehicles, but these are harder to come by,

Such as....?

Actually in Extreme condition living you do have to replace the batteries in a few years time... I know 3 people up in alaska that sold their hybrids because they had to replace the batteries last year... Hasn't even been 10 years yet...

Then it should've been covered under warranty, unless they were over 100k miles. And like I said, you can get used batteries for cheap. Some people just don't want to bother fixing their cars, they'd rather just get a new one. Heck, if/when the trans in my Explorer goes, I'm selling it, even though I could fix it. It's only a spare vehicle now, only still around because it isn't costing me anything.

 

[Jason]

You just can't reason with blind hatred folks.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

Yep, Toyota is a problem all right:

...in the last 20 years, there have been 569 recalls of Toyota vehicles. At the same time, there have been 3,498 recalls of General Motors vehicles. Yes, there have also been 2,691 Ford recalls and 2,419 Chrysler recalls...

There you have it. Toyota sucks.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_170186.asp



By the way, I'm still driving a 15 year-old Camry with 219k on the clock. Plan on driving it as long as it holds together.

 

[Original_Ranger84]

Again, without any acutal numbers or figures, this statement is pretty much meaningless.

Then it should've been covered under warranty, unless they were over 100k miles. And like I said, you can get used batteries for cheap. Some people just don't want to bother fixing their cars, they'd rather just get a new one. Heck, if/when the trans in my Explorer goes, I'm selling it, even though I could fix it. It's only a spare vehicle now, only still around because it isn't costing me anything.

OMG... I go to school for this... I have been told over and over again by multiple people that hybrid cars do from a standpoint pollute more then a fuel efficient gas car... (not while they drive but in production/disposal pollution) it has to get stuff from special factories for batteries, plastic ect... (although pretty much have the cars have plastic now...). Do you have any facts or figures or numbers to back up your theory? Nope so your arguement is just as useless and pointless.

The materials that are extra for a hybrid are Copper (atleast 2x as much), Nickel (for the batteries), the Magnets are made up of Neodymium for the electric motors, and then all the extra stuff for the computer chips and such.

Yeah well some of them may have been over 100,000 miles but if thats when the battery goes out is that not the life of the vehicle seeing as the battery is what runs it? Yes. So when the battery goes out the car has essentially reached the end of its life, and like most other vehicles you put a new engine (or battery) and its good to go. They probably recycle the batteries but you know... I don't know and I really don't care... Just not a hybrid fan. Mostly cause I don't live in a city and on dirt roads so I see no use for hybirds lol