Toyota... even more shady?

[Original_Ranger84]

Yep, Toyota is a problem all right:

...in the last 20 years, there have been 569 recalls of Toyota vehicles. At the same time, there have been 3,498 recalls of General Motors vehicles. Yes, there have also been 2,691 Ford recalls and 2,419 Chrysler recalls...

There you have it. Toyota sucks.
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OMG! I wasn't toyota bashing... I clearly stated that it was about shady buisness and this is the latest... Toyota knew about the faulty thing and instead of saying this could be a potential problem the covered it up and ignored it until it was a problem. Many companies are guilty of it. Ford did it, GM did it, I'm sure honda and Nissan and others have done it...

 

[Southern_Trendkill]

Yep, Toyota is a problem all right:

...in the last 20 years, there have been 569 recalls of Toyota vehicles. At the same time, there have been 3,498 recalls of General Motors vehicles. Yes, there have also been 2,691 Ford recalls and 2,419 Chrysler recalls...

There you have it. Toyota sucks.

That proves absolutely nothing about their quality. That could just as easily mean that Toyota and Ford had the same amount of problems, but Toyota chose to ignore most of them, while Ford chose to fix them. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but no one here has the information necessary to prove otherwise. If you are going to base an argument on statistics, you need to make sure your statistics actually support your argument.

 

[adsm08]

Yep, Toyota is a problem all right:

...in the last 20 years, there have been 569 recalls of Toyota vehicles. At the same time, there have been 3,498 recalls of General Motors vehicles. Yes, there have also been 2,691 Ford recalls and 2,419 Chrysler recalls...

There you have it. Toyota sucks.

What are the ratios on those though? How many were saftey, how many were compliance, how many were body, how many were just running updates? How many were revisions of previous recalls?

In the last 20 years for has had recalls for tail-gate cables, paint peeling off due to bad primer (a supplier fault), weak clock springs in the Explorer seat-backs, one for when they found a way to make the defrosters in the 09 focus work better, two for cars that were built shortly before a government update of standards that applied to those cars (which just required PCM recalibration), several updates to the cruise switch recall that included more cars that they said MAY BE BUT PROBABLY AREN'T affected by the original issue, they were just being cautious, almost every one of those updates having a separate identity. There was also the one for the door-latches freezing in cold climates, and the one for putting weather strip and latch grease on the focus doors because they were getting wet and seizing up.

Also one for updated return springs in the Expedition door handles, one for Explorer rear glass that broke WHEN THE CUSTOMER closed it TOO HARD.

One for parking brake cables that freeze up IF YOU DON'T USE THE BRAKE, one for pads that swell and wear fast in extremely wet weather... better clips on the Explorer CC cable.

One to put stronger wheels on the cop cars because a FEW failed after the cars were JUMPED.

One for the brake booster lines on the F-150 failing resulting in loss of power brakes, but retaining the ability to brake. And that's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

I won't get started on the Firestone Debacle except to say that Ford, Firestone, and the customers were all at fault for that. And yes, I admit the Pinto Debacle was just bad. End of story.

For may have had a lot more recalls than Toyota in the last 20 years, most of Ford's recalls were not safety related, or at least not deadly. A lot of the Ford S(aftey) recalls that I've seen were not actual severe, kill you, type safety issues. Many of the ones in the last 10 year were more update the PCM that actually change out a part.

What has Toyota had, cars taking off by themselves and killing people. Tacos breaking in half because the frame metal is missing a vital additive.

Ford's recalls cover a few specific models and years (cruise control recall being the exception), what does Toyota's recall cover? 90% of their production for the last 3 or 4 years. The Taco frame recall killed ALL 96-01 tacomas. You CANNOT find one anymore, they all have S-titles and are junk.

Toyota takes the cake in this one.

 

[adsm08]

If you are going to base an argument on statistics, you need to make sure your statistics actually support your argument.

As my stats prof said on the first day of class "The problem with statistics is that they can say anything you want to make them say."

 

[Ranger Sport Honduras]

following the sentra example
it had several recalls, even for defective paint, plastic interior parts peeling of and cosmetic stuff.
so yeah, they may havelots of recalls, ut that doesnt prove they all were for safety issues

 

[TheOne]

there is tonz of data about how bad hybrids are...some study was done about the pollution caused by making ONE hybrid...making ONE hybrid is equal in pollution to a hummer h3? or h2 being built and operated to 300 000 miles or kilometers...

now how environmentally conscious is ur hybrid now?

 

[Jason]

Ford's recalls cover a few specific models and years (cruise control recall being the exception), what does Toyota's recall cover? 90% of their production for the last 3 or 4 years. The Taco frame recall killed ALL 96-01 tacomas. You CANNOT find one anymore, they all have S-titles and are junk.

Toyota takes the cake in this one.

I should tell that to all the owners of those truck here in the salt belt that brought them in, and didn't have rusty frames.

Why oh why must people use flat out lies in here?

 

[Original_Ranger84]

I should tell that to all the owners of those truck here in the salt belt that brought them in, and didn't have rusty frames.

Why oh why must people use flat out lies in here?

I am going to agree... Not all of the truck got rusty but the ones you do see get it REALLY bad usually.

 

[adsm08]

If you saw the way they disappeared around here you'd have thought they were all gone too. In my area they were just buying them back wholesale, not even bothering to check for rust.

 

[Jason]

If you saw the way they disappeared around here you'd have thought they were all gone too. In my area they were just buying them back wholesale, not even bothering to check for rust.

Those are very generous dealers. To get paid back for the truck it had to have rust.

 

[exbass94]

there is tonz of data about how bad hybrids are...some study was done about the pollution caused by making ONE hybrid...making ONE hybrid is equal in pollution to a hummer h3? or h2 being built and operated to 300 000 miles or kilometers...

now how environmentally conscious is ur hybrid now?

I was just waiting for someone to bring that up. That whole "study" is based off one highly flawed assumption. They assumed that the Hummer lasts 35 years and 379,000 miles and the Prius only lasts 12 years and 109,000 miles, without saying how they came up with those numbers (and they refuse to say how they came up with those numbers)
So, yeah if you grossly over-estimate the Hummer's life expectancy, and grossly under-estimate the Prius's life expectancy, the Hummer may come out ahead.

If you start changing those assumptions to more realistic numbers like say the Hummer lasts 17 years and 250k miles, and the Prius lasts 15 years 180k miles, the Prius comes out way ahead. The whole study has been LAUGHED AT all over the internet.

 

[OilPatch197]

I can only dream. Then you actually have to have skill to be allowed to drive then.

If the govt would simply ban the automatic transmission we wouldn't have this problem.

This is the SAME CROWD that wanted to ban radios in cars,,, then it was cell phones, now it's Automatic Transmissions.

 

[adsm08]

I have no beef with car radios, I don't think that you should be on the phone while driving. I don't necessarily think that autos should be banned altogether since some people genuinely need them due to missing limbs, but I think that you should have to be able to drive stick at least passably to get your license. That would mean that you have to at least be able to do more than pull a lever, punch and pedal, and steer to drive. I have noticed over the years that people who CAN AND DO drive sticks regularly are better drivers overall no matter what they are driving.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

I have noticed over the years that people who CAN AND DO drive sticks regularly are better drivers overall no matter what they are driving.

Agreed. It forces you to at least put a fraction of your mental capability towards driving the car.

 

[Jason]

In that case, I think everyone should have to pass a CDL road test to drive. 10 speed manual and all. I find truck drivers to be better drivers overall. And motorcyclists are more aware of their surroundings so people should have to pass that too.