The Deuce

[RangerSVT]

Have you opened the 9" yet, does it have the 3.25 bearing case?? I'm getting ready to start looking for a 9" and would want to locate a 9" nodular with the 3.25 bearing. I know there is a 3.025 (close to that spec if not right on), and a 2.75 bearing, but with the plans I have I need the bigger of the 3...
SVT

 

[Andres629]

You have 3.55's in the D44, yeah? I just picked up a 9" with 3.54's in it...

Build the anti-wrap bar as well, I have a few pictures of ones that work awesome, all you need is three leaf spring bushings and some tube. Works awesome and doesn't impede flex at all.

 

[BONES]

I havent pulled the drop out yet, only pulled off the caliper and pulled an axle. What am I looking for to figure out of it's one of the 3?

My 9" under the Deuce has the 354's in it. I'm going to re-gear eventually, but I'm thinking maybe 4.88's or so.

Biggest thing I need to find right now is 4x4 C5 auto rear out put and tail housing.

 

[Andres629]

Biggest thing I need to find right now is 4x4 C5 auto rear out put and tail housing.

Good fawkin' luck! I've been searching for months upon months. Since June I think... still haven't found one. Found the bellhousing and tc from one though!

 

[RangerSVT]

I have pulled this info from This site...

Some standard cases are also machined to take the larger 3.063” side bearings, most cases however (including N cases) will take the 2.892” side bearings. Aftermarket spools and cases are available that accommodate even larger bearings-3.250" and 3.812", but Ford used just the two sizes from what I have seen.The carrier I have seen with the 3.063" larger side bearings is the C7AW-G marked single ribbed case, it came from a late 60's Galaxie.

SVT

 

[BONES]

Thanks for the copy and paste SVT, I wasn't even aware of the carrier bearing differences. Good info to have on hand for sure. Once I pull this one apart I'll certainly do some measuring.

Andres, I have found several c5's online at a couple pick n pulls, one near Vancouver and one somewhere in Alberta, they want between 450 and 550 for a complete unit. For that coin I would just buy the AA kit to mate the c4 to the 1354 and b done with it. I came across a guy on here that was advertising said pieces for sale and he was supposed to get me a shipping quote but never did, I chatted back and forth a few times with him but nothing ever happened, think he was full of hooey prolly.

I could buy that 23 spline c4 AA output shaft for just under 2hun and build my own adapter to mate a dodge 23 spline np205 flipped behind the c4. Or better yet, mount a dodge np 231/241 or 203 reduction box and double it into a 31 spline ford np 205. That's basically your choices of output splines to play with. 23, 25, and 28, altho I heard the c4 also used 26 spline in 2wd versions. Jeep also used a 23 spline np 231 and Toyota has a 23 spline tcase as well. Not sure if they're compatible or not tho.

 

[RangerSVT]

Bones, its back some pages, but I started a 1356/20 doubler, I've less than $25 bucks into it and the only thing I really need to do is get the intermediate shaft made, but there is enough material on the 1356 output shaft that I can have it machined and have a one piece shaft between the 2 cases, and I was told about this guy does them for $50 (basically its a cut and respline like an axleshaft in my case)I would go for a doubler setup, with some ingenuity, I bet you can put a combo together that would be a fraction of the cost of the AA kit....
SVT

 

[Andres629]

Or a D300 t-case... small, gear driven, 23 spline input,and you can get 4.1 low range gears!

 

[RangerSVT]

Thats why I went with the 1356 as my reduction box...2.72:1 is a pretty good ratio combined with a 2.48:1 dana 20 makes for a nice crawl number at 6.75:1....
SVT

 

[BONES]

Finding a d20 or d300 is not an easy task around my neck of the woods tho.

I was tossing around the c6/np205 or e4od/205 or 1356 combo too, but the 1356 is very wide, not sure how good it would fit inbetween the frame rails of a BII. Finding a c6/205 is proving to be very difficult, and all the e40d/1356 combos I have come across have the slip yoke output on the back of the tcase, not ideal at all. I heard the FS Broncos had a fixed flange rear output on the 1356's.

I might be able to find a d20, they are a rock magnet the way they hang real low off the trans too hey. Yeah the options are definitely out there, it's just a fact of actually finding the pieces to make a go at it.

Svt what trans are you running? Obviously a 31 spline output trans....

 

[bobbywalter]

the bronco cases are fixed.


i would consider running an aod/208 j combo if you can find one. otherwise just run a ranger case with the aod.


a 700r4 and 241 with a sye would be a nice setup as well.

 

[Andres629]

Man, D300's are coming out the wazoo in my neck of the woods. Next time one pops up, I'll link you. I picked up a freshly rebuilt one for $150.

 

[BONES]

Sure Andres, link me up buddy. Aren't d300's pass drop? So you would need to flip the case right? Or run it pass drop and double it to a ford 205, lol! C4/d300/np205 would be sweet! Then I'd have the doubler and front digs, best of both set-ups!

Yeah Bobby, the 700r4 wouldn't be a bad route I suppose, I have it in mind still as I have one with a pass drop 205 behind it already. I can get ahold of a drivers drop 241 easy too, GM parts seem to be inexpensive and easy to find around here. Don't remember what the adapter is worth but I bet it wouldn't be difficult to build one myself, it's just a matter of mating 2 different bolt patterns, right? How's the starter work tho, GM's bolt to the engine (pass side) and ford bolt to the trans (pass side). What about the flex plate tooth count as well? I'll have to look more into it I guess. I saw Jegs had that adapter at one point.

Aod is the light duty trans right? Is it 25 spline output? I thot it was 31 spline like the rest of the ford trannys and would need that AA out put shaft and adapter to mate them to the 1354? I could be wrong tho, that's happened once.......

 

[bobbywalter]

Sure Andres, link me up buddy. Aren't d300's pass drop? So you would need to flip the case right? Or run it pass drop and double it to a ford 205, lol! C4/d300/np205 would be sweet! Then I'd have the doubler and front digs, best of both set-ups!

Yeah Bobby, the 700r4 wouldn't be a bad route I suppose, I have it in mind still as I have one with a pass drop 205 behind it already. I can get ahold of a drivers drop 241 easy too, GM parts seem to be inexpensive and easy to find around here. Don't remember what the adapter is worth but I bet it wouldn't be difficult to build one myself, it's just a matter of mating 2 different bolt patterns, right? How's the starter work tho, GM's bolt to the engine (pass side) and ford bolt to the trans (pass side). What about the flex plate tooth count as well? I'll have to look more into it I guess. I saw Jegs had that adapter at one point.

Aod is the light duty trans right? Is it 25 spline output? I thot it was 31 spline like the rest of the ford trannys and would need that AA out put shaft and adapter to mate them to the 1354? I could be wrong tho, that's happened once.......

i suggest the spud adapter type to use a f/s ford trans. like 450 bux.

the 700 adapter is about 4-500 as well. uses a ford starter.

 

[BONES]

Why do fords have to be difficult to intermix parts, lol.

I have a sbc/700r4/205 sitting there, would be easy to find a driver drop 241 and swap it all in ifn I wanted a gm drive train, which I don't. There's a shit ton of GM vehicles out there that could be potential donors and intermixing parts is very straight forward...everything mixes, lol, just pick almost any GM donor 4x4 and your golden as they all come with the same parts practically. haha

Get into Fords and not so much intermixing at all, with specific adapters and specific this and that. It's actually a little frustrating. I need to find a specific few years FS Bronco with specific engine trans and tcase package to get an actual donor rig I can use all the parts from and then it'll have useless to me TTB front diff and useless to me 8.8 rear diff. Solid axle FS Bronco will have a useless to me carbed engine, but might have the auto and tcase I can use as well as the diff parts.

Either that or I need to pick and choose specific parts from several rigs that are few and far between around here. Or spend that same amount as a donor rig would cost to buy just one adaptor and I will still need that specific trans, specific tcase and specific parts to make it all work together.

The cost between ford and gm parts is the same and the cost between ford and GM donor rigs is the same too, but I can buy ANY whole GM 4x4 for a few hun and have everything I need, the same can not be said about Ford.

Instead I need a either a sbf c6, aod, e4od from specific trucks, that may or may not have the correct FI small block v8 engine I want to use, then I need a flanged rear out put 1356 from a FS Bronco, or an np205 from a lot older FS truck or Bronco, or I need to find a d20 from an early bronco or........ U see what I'm saying here? I could spend a few hun and be done with GM and I have to spend a few hun for each part separately for Ford because they didn't make it all interchangeable.

I'm not having fun parts searching at all guys....

Blah, rant over.... Back to work on my junk.