Recover in reverse/pulling in reverse

[feellnfroggy]

Even in a IFS ranger your not using hte drive side of the gears in reverse, thats why pre 98 are referred to a reverse cut gears, 98 ave standard cut gears, the drive side always go forward, and coast side is what is used for reverse.

I used to tow my mustangs and 97 ford probe with a tow strap,(the stretchless kind) and I just looped through a cross member and then hooked it up through the rear bumper the loop over the ball(so if it came loose it have to rip down through the license plate nd towards the ground) I never had a problem, except with loops tightening nce in a while, but nothing ever came loose even with slack.

 

[heptofite]

realistically, unless you're hammering the skinny pedal, extracting in reverse isn't going to hurt anything.

What, have you never backed up while pulling a trailer before? it's same ****ing thing.

 

[gwaii]

Even in a IFS ranger your not using hte drive side of the gears in reverse, thats why pre 98 are referred to a reverse cut gears, 98 ave standard cut gears, the drive side always go forward, and coast side is what is used for reverse.

got it backwards.the high pinion diffs were intended as front diffs.the reverse spiral cut on the teeth is to allow them to run on the drive side forward.

a low pinion diff will run on the drive side in a rear application.

in a front application the diff gets turned around(the pinion is now facing the rear of the truck,not the front)and when this is done,to keep the tires rotating the same way as they were before,the gears have to rotate the opposite direction.

in a low pinion diff the gears ride on the coast side going forward.they are on the drive side in reverse.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

realistically, unless you're hammering the skinny pedal, extracting in reverse isn't going to hurt anything.

What, have you never backed up while pulling a trailer before? it's same ****ing thing.

Except the trailer isn't stuck... and I can't think of a time I have need 4wd to push my tractor on a flatbed backwards.

 

[heptofite]

Except the trailer isn't stuck... and I can't think of a time I have need 4wd to push my tractor on a flatbed backwards.

So?

if you're in 4wd mode you're splitting your load across two axles, you're more likely to do damage in 2wd than 4 simply by virtue of having more load on one axle.

either way, it's not as if parts are suddenly shattering because you're going backwards, i yanked a freightliner out of a mud pit on a dirt road in low range, in reverse in my b2 and didn't break a damn thing.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

So?

if you're in 4wd mode you're splitting your load across two axles, you're more likely to do damage in 2wd than 4 simply by virtue of having more load on one axle.

either way, it's not as if parts are suddenly shattering because you're going backwards, i yanked a freightliner out of a mud pit on a dirt road in low range, in reverse in my b2 and didn't break a damn thing.

No, you are more likely to just spin out in 2wd rather than putting it to the ground in 4wd.

Agreed we are splitting hairs here, all I was getting at is that it is better to pull going forwards than backwards if you can help it.

 

[naford]

I would think that the reason for breaking things when pulling in reverse has more to do with traction than anything else. Maybe the front is less robust than the rear and that is possible. But lets think about this. As you pull in reverse more weight is transfered to an already heavey front end. The last resort on saving the front end parts are the wheels breaking free from the ground.

 

[feellnfroggy]

got it backwards.the high pinion diffs were intended as front diffs.the reverse spiral cut on the teeth is to allow them to run on the drive side forward.

a low pinion diff will run on the drive side in a rear application.

in a front application the diff gets turned around(the pinion is now facing the rear of the truck,not the front)and when this is done,to keep the tires rotating the same way as they were before,the gears have to rotate the opposite direction.

in a low pinion diff the gears ride on the coast side going forward.they are on the drive side in reverse.

I know ford is stupid sometimes, but please do a better job of convincing me why they would design a diff to do its majority workload on the coast side of the gears? If this is the case, it throws out every argument your guys ever had for why not to do too mch driving on the coast side,(not you specific gwaii)

This is like when I used a tap and die, and instead of tapping from the rear I tapped from the front for easier access, the threads still went the same way, just different side.

 

[joecool85]

I guess I'm not too concerned. I've only down the pulling in reverse thing on slick mud and snow/ice situations. That said, now that I know better I will start doing it pulling forward if I can. I have a tow hitch anyway, so I'm just being lazy hooking up to my tow hooks up front, its not like I don't have a point to hook onto in the rear.

 

[gwaii]

I know ford is stupid sometimes, but please do a better job of convincing me why they would design a diff to do its majority workload on the coast side of the gears? If this is the case, it throws out every argument your guys ever had for why not to do too mch driving on the coast side,(not you specific gwaii)

This is like when I used a tap and die, and instead of tapping from the rear I tapped from the front for easier access, the threads still went the same way, just different side.

i think you might have misunderstood...things that seem clear to me while i'm typing may not seem as clear when being read by others.

the high pinion diff has what's called a 'reverse spiral cut gear'.this indicates that the spiral direction of the teeth is the reverse of those used in a conventional rear end.by 'spiral direction' i'm referring to the way that when you look at a ring gear on it's face,the teeth all point in one direction around the gear.the teeth on a high pinion go the other direction.

when a conventional(low pinion)diff is turned around to be used as a front,the gears run backwards-so on the coast side when going forward.this is the case with chev and dodge 44 and 60 fronts,as well as all other low pinion front diffs.

the idea of the reverse cut is that when put in a front diff,the ring gear is going the right way going forward.so only with a high pinion diff are you using the drive side of the gear going forward.
with all others you are using the 'drive' side of the tooth in reverse.

incidentally,many think the idea of the high pinion diff was to get the extra driveshaft clearance.this was simply a byproduct of the gear design...it was all about getting the gears running correctly..and only ford did it.

hope this clears up some confusion.

 

[feellnfroggy]

Gwaii I think we are on the same page, I was saying when 98 rolled around and they went to the IFS they stopped using the same reverse cut gears of hte gen 3 and went to a standard d35 gear. 98 gears wont fit in my 93. Exactly what you are saying...sort of. LOL

 

[gwaii]

Gwaii I think we are on the same page, I was saying when 98 rolled around and they went to the IFS they stopped using the same reverse cut gears of hte gen 3 and went to a standard d35 gear. 98 gears wont fit in my 93. Exactly what you are saying...sort of. LOL

got it

yup,going back to the low pinion was certainly a backwards step.

it's cheaper to make,as it's the same gear used by other auto manufacturers.i guess they got tired of paying for 'ford only' applications.

 

[feellnfroggy]

well not even that, But I believe the standard cut d35 and 8.8 rings and pinions are interchangable now arent they? Im guessing but it makes sense.

Either that or having the same R&P as the jeep dana35 made mass producing that much easier and cheaper to purchase?

 

[gwaii]

Either that or having the same R&P as the jeep dana35 made mass producing that much easier and cheaper to purchase?

that would be it.


too bad

 

[joecool85]

So...I was using 5/16" chain rated at 4,500lb working load. Is that safe for me to use for recovery purposes? I know people recommend nylon straps, but I don't want to buy one and I already have this chain for my logging purposes. It's 20' long and I just got it last year. Nice welded links etc.