Oil Filters

[shadetree]

Prove it...........shady

 

[Bob Ayers]

Prove it...........shady

Shady, you already have!!!!!


But check these links out and tell us all that the Fram oil filter failures
are all imaginary!!!!! I've already told you my experience, as well as others,
which you tried to downplay!!!

Your grasping at straws, and running out of stuff to cut & paste!!!!

For once Shady, admit you are WRONG!!!!!!!



http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295635


http://forum.chryslerminivan.net/showthread.php?p=97128


http://www.dodgeforum.com/forum/oil-change-diys/71042-1991-1996-dodge-stealth-rt-tt-or-na.html


http://stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68705

 

[sweetwaterbroncoII]

wix/napa or motorcraft for me. if i have low oil pressure, i fix the problem

Sludge; I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, you have been a help to me and have had some valid points, but you have also shown your age at times with some smart remarks (referenced above) to novice mechanics....don't crack on people or make smart remarks for people having their own opinion.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Shady, you aren't an engineer either, but anybody with just common sense can tell by the construction analysis that the Fram is inferior!!

Paper glued to cardboard or paper glued to steel, I have always wondered why paper wasn't the weak link to start with. They are disposable and are not meant to last forever.

If Fram's were blowing up engines left and right they wouldn't be one of the biggest manufacturers around.

 

[triumphrider-1]

On my old 2.9L I ran Fram for a while (prior was Wix or Purolator) and my truck began to tick upon cold start; not long, maybe ten seconds, but enough to bother me. Next oil change I tried a Mobil1 filter and the problem went away. Kept with Mobil1 and never had the noise return the rest of the time I had that truck.

 

[Bob Ayers]

On my old 2.9L I ran Fram for a while (prior was Wix or Purolator) and my truck began to tick upon cold start; not long, maybe ten seconds, but enough to bother me. Next oil change I tried a Mobil1 filter and the problem went away. Kept with Mobil1 and never had the noise return the rest of the time I had that truck.

As documented in the contruction analysis, Fram's anti-drainback valves SUCK!!!

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

You havent' shown me anything, sludge. No data, none

When I read these posts, very few have actually had problems. It is always "I knew a guy," or "a friends car," or "I had an uncle." Seldom a first hand experience.

you wanted real-world, first-hand experience and i gave it to you. so did bob and several others on this thread. when i spin a filter off of a vehicle and shake it, and hear the filter element rattling around loosely inside the canister...thats bad. period. its a fact and its not rocket science. i have had this happen with DOZENS of fram filters. i have had it happen with NO wix filters. your right, im young, i havnt been in the game as long as you. but 4 years of spinning filters onto vehicles is more than enough time to see a trend occuring. i dont know why you havnt experienced it first hand. maybe youve been lucky. maybe you dont change as much oil as i do. i dont know.

smart remarks (referenced above) to novice mechanics....don't crack on people or make smart remarks for people having their own opinion.

im sorry if my comment offended you sweet. i wasnt trying to talk down to anyone. i was simply stating my opinion (as you said, people are entitled to their own).

 

[shadetree]

I've already told you my experience,

Yes, I read your "experience." You had one experience with what you believe to be attributal to the filter. And from this one experience, you condemn all products made by this company. Good thinking there, Bob. Using this logic, I will never again use Motorcraft spark plugs. Personal experience. Changed plugs in my F150. 2 weeks later engine started missing. One of those damned, good for nothing, pieces of shit Motorcraft plugs failed. I'll never use those damned things again.

By the way, Bob, where is your auto repair shop located? I want to come by for a visit. Maybe I can learn some things from you to make my life easier.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295635

http://forum.chryslerminivan.net/showthread.php?p=97128


http://www.dodgeforum.com/forum/oil-change-diys/71042-1991-1996-dodge-stealth-rt-tt-or-na.html


http://stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68705

These links are just forums like this one. Not proof of anything. Same old stories, just different people telling them about something they read on the net, or someone they knew, or heard about. Only a couple mentions of anyoe actually having problems. And, just like this forum, we don't know the particulars of what happened, and I am not big about taking anyones word about anything. If you had any experience in the auto repair business dealing with customers, you learn not to believe a damned thing until you see it yourself. Give me some actual proof of catastrophic failure of Fram filters in a number that would have some significance, then I will listen. Till then, I go with what I know.:shady

when i spin a filter off of a vehicle and shake it, and hear the filter element rattling around loosely inside the canister...thats bad. period. its a fact and its not rocket science. i have had this happen with DOZENS of fram filters.

What was the engine damage that resulted in the "dozens" of bad filters you replaced? There must be lawsuits abounding where you live from these bad filters. It must be local as I haven't hear anyone else relating these problems. Or, maybe these filters weren't bad at all, and were still doing their intended job. Who knows??????shady

 

[90B24wd]

If Shadetree likes Fram filters, it's his problem. As for me I use whats works.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

Or, maybe these filters weren't bad at all, and were still doing their intended job. Who knows??????shady

are you actually implying that a filter with an unattached filter element clunking around inside the canister ISNT "broke"?

ok shady, your right. fram filters are definitely the greatest thing since sliced bread. everyone on the internet all got together one night and decided they would all try and make fram filters look bad "for fun" and there is absolutely no truth behind any of the claims. next we're going to attack martha stewart...she needs to be taken down a peg or two.

and your record of always being right (and your ego) still stands. congratulations.

 

[triumphrider-1]

As documented in the contruction analysis, Fram's anti-drainback valves SUCK!!!

Thanks Bob. I was going to say something about this but I couldn't think of the name of the valve for some reason.

 

[Hahnsb2]

Shady is right, plenty of people have used Frams with absolutely no problems and yes they do outsell other filters. PSDs out-sell CTDs, the CTD is still a better engine. Brittany spears albums out-sell Seether albums and we all know Brittany spear's music is crap. Many people never have problems with A4LDs, doesn't mean it isn't garbage. Fram is junk, the idea that anyone would buy one when filters of much better quality are available for the same price is mind boggling.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

mind boggling.

did you just say mind bottling?

 

[shadetree]

are you actually implying that a filter with an unattached filter element clunking around inside the canister ISNT "broke"?

I wan't "implying" anything. I asked about engine damage from the "clunking" filters. No answer.

ok shady, your right.

Yes, I am right in my experience with Fram filters.

fram filters are definitely the greatest thing since sliced bread. everyone on the internet all got together one night and decided they would all try and make fram filters look bad "for fun" and there is absolutely no truth behind any of the claims.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say any such thing. I know there have been some who have had problems with Fram, and Delco, and Motorcraft, and all others. No one filter, or manufacturer is perfect. They all have their problems. What I am saying is that most of those blaming Fram are doing so from mostly heresay, not personal experience.

In the dozens of bad Fram filters you have found, have you kept them and reported the problem to Fram so they could examine them? This is what I would do. I'm sure they would appreciate it, and you would be doing your customers (if not the world) a huge favor, and you would be a hero.

and your record of always being right (and your ego) still stands. congratulations.

Again, I am right as far as my personal experience goes, and that is all I have to judge by. I am not going to jump on the hate Fram bandwagon until I see some VALID evidence in such numbers that they have enough of a problem to be concerned. And if you turn in those dozens of bad filters, it might help.shady

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

i was going to try to prove a point by typing "wix filter failure" into google search...but almost all of the hits on the first page were fram filter failures (none were about wix filter failures)...weird

I asked about engine damage from the "clunking" filters. No answer.

sorry, i intended to include a response in my post.

i dont make a habbit of disassembling and inspecting customers engines when they come in for an oil change. as far as i can remember, all those vehicles left the shop under their own power, but that doesnt mean jack. your engine will run for quite a while with the filter bypassed, that doesnt mean its good for it or that no extra wear is recieved. if that was the case then modern automobiles wouldnt use oil filters to begin with. a filter with a broken loose filter element is bad for your engine. i never predicted how much damage it would cause over "X" amount of time or what the long term ramifications of running a bypassed filter are because i (and anyone that knows anything about automotive oiling systems) know its bad, and thats all i need to know.

you would be a hero.

glad your sense of humor is still intact