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[cvar]

After looking further at the Haynes manual I am curious if the markings for alignment ONLY need to be made IF the shaft an yoke are taken apart ?
In other words if the whole thing was taken out and only the spindle bearings were replaced and the ujoint shaft and yoke were NOT seperated would there be any reason to make the alighment marks ?

Yup, no reason to worry if you pulled it out as a single unit & didn't separate it. BTW, even if you did separate 'em, the only concern is to line up the U-joints, putting them in-phase. For a simple explanation of that, see green arrows (in-phase) versus blue arrows (out-of-phase) in this photo
( from http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-shaft/index2.html )

Also it says that the metal piece I spoke of needscan be tapped off with a hammer but needs to be pressed on (machine shop)

Um, nope. We don't need no stinking press. Hammer will do fine.

Yeah, I agree that this stuff is made to seem more complex than it really is, and it's easier for me to understand when I see actual photos, not just words.

 

[bcraig]

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alright. Yes the photos help greatly!
I tried the hammer and hit one side and other pops up ,back and forth and back and forth.Finally got it started and got it on but the flange is bent all to he..
Also just a tap and it comes off again.
I obviously did something wrong putting one of the spindle bearings in as on one of the spindles the new bearing would not turn. I used the old bearing to install the new bearing but maybe I drove it too far with hammer?
Also drove part of the old bearing in behind the new bearing and could not get the old bearing out without destroying the old bearing.Then when the new bearing would not turn I had to use a puller to get it out !Getting ready to go to parts house and get another spindle bearing.Was the issue me driving it in too far or what i used to drive it in(old bearing)Dont want to do it again as it is a 40 mile round trip to get parts !
Thanks ,Craig

 

[cvar]

I have no special tools. The old race acted as a good punch. I don't think it's possible to drive it in TOO far, since it can't go any further than its machined seat. Yes, you did exactly what I did. Maybe I tap more lightly with hammer, all the way around & around? Instead of a press, I used a hammer and punch (old pipe). Same technique as punching with the old bearing race itself as a circular punch, tapping (gently) all the way around. Same as for the seals. Good thing bearings are cheap! Um, is yours just installed crooked? Or a hunk of dirt is inside? Your spindle & axle-shafts are cleaner (far less rust) than mine. Nice. I'm kinda jealous.

Tech library article about spindle bearing replacement: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/spindlebearing.html


Did you manage to login to http://arrc.ebscohost.com

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[bcraig]

I have no special tools. The old race acted as a good punch. I don't think it's possible to drive it in TOO far, since it can't go any further than its machined seat. Yes, you did exactly what I did. Maybe I tap more lightly with hammer, all the way around & around? Instead of a press, I used a hammer and punch (old pipe). Same technique as punching with the old bearing race itself as a circular punch, tapping (gently) all the way around. Same as for the seals. Good thing bearings are cheap! Um, is yours just installed crooked? Or a hunk of dirt is inside? Your spindle & axle-shafts are cleaner (far less rust) than mine. Nice. I'm kinda jealous.

Tech library article about spindle bearing replacement: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/spindlebearing.html


Did you manage to login to http://arrc.ebscohost.com

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I just used the old spindle bearing instead of the race,I like the idea of using a pipe instead of a press.
I didn,t think that it was crooked but who knows ?
I went to the edscohost sight .but i didn,t type the link exactly like you wrote it I just typed in www.ebsco.com and it looked a little complicated so I just xed out but maybe I need to type in the entire addy you sent to get in ?
Thanks,Craig

 

[cvar]

k exactly like you wrote it I just typed in www.ebsco.com and it looked a little complicated so I just xed out but maybe I need to type in the entire addy you sent to get in ?
Thanks,Craig

Nope, that's different. It's gotta be exactly http://search.ebscohost.com or http://arrc.ebscohost.com Why can't you just click on the link rather than having to type in the web address?

The ARRC stands for "Auto Repair Reference Center" and is awesome.

 

[bcraig]

re I got in the sight

and looking at everything I am undecided whether I need wheel hub grease seal part number 3299 or just wheel seal part number 1190?
I know it is the seal that taps over the spindle/needle bearing after it is installed.
I put it on over one spindle /needle bearing on one side BUT have somehow managed to lose the other one for the other side! I have called and been to several parts houses,Napa,auto zone,oreillys and cant seem to find one!
I have just been asking for a spindle bearing seal but dont know if I am asking for the right thing.None of them seem to have a schematic online to look up a Part ! They do okay at selling hand soap air fresheners and wiperblades I suppose but seem to know even less than I do if that is possible!
Which part do you think I need and how do i ask for it other than a spindle seal or hub seal or ?The only thing they keep trying to sell me is the Damned spindle bearing kit which I have 2 of already!OR a wheel bearing seal.
Where can I get 1 ?
Thanks Craig

 

[cvar]

Welcome to the Internet. Use it much? I think not.

Login to that awesome web site http://arrc.ebscohost.com and then at that page bottom, click on "Auto Repair Reference Center". That contains the Ford factory service manuals for all Rangers ever made. BINGO! Then choose your vehicle, so then you can search for those 2 part numbers. That means search for "spindle" or else "3299" in the search box on that web page. Up pops some results, so click on each "hit". Here's what you'll find...

It shows spindle bearing seal #1190 on 2WD, and #3299 on 4WD vehicles.

The wheel bearing seal is a different part that's a whopping 3" diameter, so that's not it. Since you lost the seal, you may be forced to buy another entire Spindle Bearing & Seal Kit, which is only $17. Suck it up?

I'm no parts guy, but we can learn to Google, or else learn to search on that other web site. It takes mere seconds.

 

[bcraig]

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Welcome to the Internet. Use it much? I think not.

Login to that awesome web site http://arrc.ebscohost.com and then at that page bottom, click on "Auto Repair Reference Center". That contains the Ford factory service manuals for all Rangers ever made. BINGO! Then choose your vehicle, so then you can search for those 2 part numbers. That means search for "spindle" or else "3299" in the search box on that web page. Up pops some results, so click on each "hit". Here's what you'll find...

It shows spindle bearing seal #1190 on 2WD, and #3299 on 4WD vehicles.

The wheel bearing seal is a different part that's a whopping 3" diameter, so that's not it. Since you lost the seal, you may be forced to buy another entire Spindle Bearing & Seal Kit, which is only $17. Suck it up?

I'm no parts guy, but we can learn to Google, or else learn to search on that other web site. It takes mere seconds.

OH REALLY I use the net a lot and in fact google a lot,I did in fact try everything kind of search from spindle /needle bearing seal to hub bearing seal to retainer seal. I have been on the timkin sight doing crossreferencing old and new parts as well as talking with a rep at Timkin. I have talked personally with 3 Different ford dealerships and 2 auto zones an a carQuest/.
The thing about it is that they all call the part by a different name.
By the way just did a search for the #3299 and guess what it comes up with .axle washers ! AND gues what BINGO that is NOT what I am looking for ! I know what the kits have in them as I bought 2 of them and neither have the part in it like I had covering the spindle/needle bearing.So I dont need to suck it up and buy another one.
Now the Timkin guy tells me that I can use the parts kit for the same purpose as what was on it but In no way shape form or fashion does it look like the one that was on it .I was trying to put back parts that look reasonably like the ones I took out !
I do understand hits and how to use the internet ,try not to be condesending with your advice on using the search functions if you dont mind.
I appreciate all your help so far ,I really do.But if you have become tired or exasperated from this I understand and you can stop if you want to.
But implying that I haven,t done any research on my own is simply not true.
Thanks again
Craig

 

[cvar]

I'm sorry. It sure seems you're at odds with what was said. I must be missing something?

Did you search within that web site http://arrc.ebscohost.com at all? Those Ford Factory Service Manuals are pretty darn good. They are the definitive resource. And your best shot at finding your answers. I've pointed it out a few times. Arghh!!!

I have the paper versions from Ford. They're great. The above web site seems to have the same books, and you can click to download each page as a PDF. That means you can PRINT the page and show the Ford dealer, or Autozone/Napa.

Your 3rd sentence in post #51 says you had a seal, but you lost it. The spindle bearing seal did happen to come in the Timken spindle bearing kit that I bought. So adding those 2 ideas together, it seems you had a way to get the right part. But now you're saying you dont' have the right part? That seems weird.

I just did a Google search for "ranger spindle bearing seal 3299" and the 2nd hit was the TRS tech. library page: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/spindlebearing.html

At the bottom of that web page has links to 2 PDF docs: for Dana 28, and Dana 35. Shall I presume you have Dana 35? Is this correct?

Anyway the Dana part #s and diagrams are there, too. Including the Dana spindle bearing kits. These docs are from Dana/Spicer whom made these axles for Ford. Print & show them to the Ford dealership? They name it differently than Ford's FSM does, calling it a "oil seal". Either way, it's the seal that covers the actual spindle bearing. So if I can manage to find many pictures, part #'s and documents for these parts, then surely the Ford parts guy should be able to easily find them too. Esp. when you show them the parts diagram.

Yes, we'd like to help you get wheeling again. You're getting there. It's just frustrating that those folks can't see or find what's obviously there, in plain view. Have you taken a photo for them? Or bring them the spindle itself, complete with its bearing?

 

[bcraig]

I'm sorry. It sure seems you're at odds with what was said. I must be missing something?

Did you search within that web site http://arrc.ebscohost.com at all? Those Ford Factory Service Manuals are pretty darn good. They are the definitive resource. And your best shot at finding your answers. I've pointed it out a few times. Arghh!!!

I have the paper versions from Ford. They're great. The above web site seems to have the same books, and you can click to download each page as a PDF. That means you can PRINT the page and show the Ford dealer, or Autozone/Napa.

Your 3rd sentence in post #51 says you had a seal, but you lost it. The spindle bearing seal did happen to come in the Timken spindle bearing kit that I bought. So adding those 2 ideas together, it seems you had a way to get the right part. But now you're saying you dont' have the right part? That seems weird.

I just did a Google search for "ranger spindle bearing seal 3299" and the 2nd hit was the TRS tech. library page: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/spindlebearing.html

At the bottom of that web page has links to 2 PDF docs: for Dana 28, and Dana 35. Shall I presume you have Dana 35? Is this correct?

Anyway the Dana part #s and diagrams are there, too. Including the Dana spindle bearing kits. These docs are from Dana/Spicer whom made these axles for Ford. Print & show them to the Ford dealership? They name it differently than Ford's FSM does, calling it a "oil seal". Either way, it's the seal that covers the actual spindle bearing. So if I can manage to find many pictures, part #'s and documents for these parts, then surely the Ford parts guy should be able to easily find them too. Esp. when you show them the parts diagram.

Yes, we'd like to help you get wheeling again. You're getting there. It's just frustrating that those folks can't see or find what's obviously there, in plain view. Have you taken a photo for them? Or bring them the spindle itself, complete with its bearing?

Hi,yes you are missing something ,as i told you that i went to the sight and looked.
And I have explained several times to you that I have !ARRG
A person cant print if they dont have a printer.
no the parts in the Timkin kit do not include the one I had on my original parts whether it seems weird to you or not.
Guess what the kit shown in the shown in the tech section doesnt show the seal I am talking about either ,seems as though you are not listening.
Yes it is Dana 35
yes I have taken both spindles to various places and they will look and say not available or they say the parts(rubber type of ring and the plastic washer in conjunction will probably accomplish the same thing that the seal i am missing did but it is only a cover for the spindle bearing which may be enough BUT neither the rubber o type ring nor the plastic washer drive down into the bore where the spindle/needle bearing sits whereas the part I had and currently have on the other spindle (DRIVEN IN)
The seal I am talking about is pressed or hammered in ,just like a wheel bearing seal and there is nothing like that in the timkin kit .
I wish you would show me which part in the Timkin Kit is hammered or pressed in to cover the spindle/needle bearing because i would really like to see it !
Heck use the pics in the tech section to show me in the kit for the 35 which piece it is.
http://www.autopartsnetwork.com/for...=google_base&gclid=CPDn_bi-iLoCFSgS7AodTxcAOw is this the kit you bought that had the seal in it that taps down into the bore ?http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...996+ford+ranger++spindle+bearing+kit&_sacat=0 what about this one ?SBK4 right ? from what I can tell the pieces in the kit may serve the same purpose as the seal that came out of my truck but these kits do NOT have a seal that taps down into the same bore that the spindle /needle bearing sits.it doesn,t have a thing to do with my ability or willingness to search, just has to do with the FACT that the Part is NOT in there Period.I think therein lies the issue,I dare say that YOUR kit did not have the Part in it either as I cant find a TIMKEN kit that does! Is the issue that your kit contains parts that accomplish the same function so that is why you say it is in there ? Maybe the parts that came out of mine were older parts ? Or that someone before me did some parts replacing and THEY put in the wrong parts?
would you mind showing which of these parts taps down into the bore where the spindle bearing/needle bearing is?
None of them tap down till the lip pf the seal is reached because none of them are the seal I am talking about.The only thing that will go down in the bore is the rubber piece and that is flexible whereas the seals that were on my parts that came out of the truck had them on there.
Even the Haynes Manual says to use the same tool that was used to push or drive the spindle/needle bearing in to push in the oils seal replacement.
Yes I am ready to get it going myself !

 

[cvar]

If the Timken rubber ring won't do, then how about reusing the old seal? Maybe straighten it out, if it's bent? Your truck has gotta match most others of that year, so the parts must exist somewhere. Do you know anyone whom has a printer? Or the public library? How about a pencil? Relax, just kidding! <big smiley grin>

Fwiw, I do recall having trouble finding a seal, but I was pretty sure it was the inner WB seal (not spindle bearing seal) that the Ford dealership couldn't find until they located a MotorCraft part from a local parts place, which seemed very strange to me.

Does Ford not have the same parts diagram & partslist as the FSM?