Modern trucks....when is enough...enough?

[rusty ol ranger]

Not trying to begin a war but...

How much power does anyone need? Im not talking 1/2 tons here.... ive seen these new diesel 3/4 and 1 tons making north of 900ftlbs....

Not to mention the outlandish towing capacities...

Im sorry but giving any idiot with 70k to blow the "ability" to pull a 20000lb+ trailer is insane to me.

What is the point in this? Simply a contest of "mine is bigger then yours"? I have never met anyone, with the need to tow that kind of weight behind a pickup.

Now, with the power, is 900 ftlbs really a need? Is it that important to be able to blow past traffic up a hill at 75-80mph towing that heavy?

Im just looking for sprited discussion....

 

[fastpakr]

You of all people are questioning the desire for more power, torque, and towing capacity???

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Hey, another old timer still around! lol.

Im all for more, but i just think its gettin ridiculous in the past few years.

 

[adsm08]

It may be partly related to fuel economy standards.

If you can up the max output of an engine without adding a ton more fuel it runs more efficiently below it's max.

 

[chewy012]

Not trying to begin a war but...

How much power does anyone need? Im not talking 1/2 tons here.... ive seen these new diesel 3/4 and 1 tons making north of 900ftlbs....

Not to mention the outlandish towing capacities...

Im sorry but giving any idiot with 70k to blow the "ability" to pull a 20000lb+ trailer is insane to me.

What is the point in this? Simply a contest of "mine is bigger then yours"? I have never met anyone, with the need to tow that kind of weight behind a pickup.

Now, with the power, is 900 ftlbs really a need? Is it that important to be able to blow past traffic up a hill at 75-80mph towing that heavy?

Im just looking for sprited discussion....

Dude I'm with ya. People don't know how to tow, they don't understand that heavier loads don't get up a go like a sports car. "I have to down shift at 60 for this hill!!! The speed limit is 75! This thing is a POS!"

over the summer, in one day I saw 3 new duallies on the side of the road (50 yards from the hill crest) with car trailers loaded and a lake of coolant under the truck....



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[pjtoledo]

contractors & ranchers luv 'em and they are actually safe to drive, unlike the big blocks that were crammed into anything back in the muscle car era.

 

[BlackBII]

Along with efficiency, it may be partly related to longevity and saftey as well.

A truck that is capable of towing a 20klb load will more easily tow a more average sized load, and will have a lower chance of stressing the engine, trans, diff and brakes to their max causing failure.

 

[pjtoledo]

Dude I'm with ya. People don't know how to tow, they don't understand that heavier loads don't get up a go like a sports car. "I have to down shift at 60 for this hill!!! The speed limit is 75! This thing is a POS!"

over the summer, in one day I saw 3 new duallies on the side of the road (50 yards from the hill crest) with car trailers loaded and a lake of coolant under the truck....



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I guess us flat-landers know how to cram more air in with a turbocharger, but are totally oblivious about thin air at 5000 ft altitude and it's inability to cool a radiator.

 

[chewy012]

It has nothing to do with increasing efficiency. Efficiency comes from the engine management and injection timing. More power can only come from adding more fuel, more fuel means more emissions.

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[fastpakr]

No. Emissions are measured as a percentage of total measured flow volume. More fuel -only- means more emissions in that context if it's not burned properly.

 

[chewy012]

No. Emissions are measured as a percentage of total measured flow volume. More fuel -only- means more emissions in that context if it's not burned properly.

Ok, I'll take that. I was attempting to make that bridge with engine management and injection timing.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

They are more efficient at making more power per gallon but a 6.2 gas gets about the same mid-teens that a 5.4 got.

A Coyote F-150 is low 20's which isn't that remarkable since high teens were common for 10+ years before it with the big V8. Soon to be FIL still gets single digits towing with his '13 like I do with my '02.

Also of note, Ford is coming out with tire pressure monitoring sensors for your trailer, up to three axles. Been kind of a problem with the power they are putting out you can't tell when you blow a tire. Met one on Labor Day weekend, newer 6.7 Superduty trailing parts of tire, plastic and insulation from his fifth wheel camper. Had no idea, was still running 60+mph.

It is kind of funny, it is getting to the point they are more or less bringing back the Ranger for a older F-150 sized truck, like they have all gone up a click.

 

[chewy012]

What're the 6.7's getting on mpg now? I'm hesitant to mention numbers I've heard, but they don't sound great... like, less than the 7.3's

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[91stranger]

Well I work in the RV industry and these new fifth wheels get close to 40+ feet long and 20,000 lbs. You definitely need a truck capable of towing a rig like that. If people have the money, let them spend. It's not going to stop dodge, chevy and ford from making new trucks that are better than the year before. That's what its all about in the car industry is one upping the previous year. That's the only way to sell new vehicles any more. That's just my opinion on this.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

What're the 6.7's getting on mpg now? I'm hesitant to mention numbers I've heard, but they don't sound great... like, less than the 7.3's

I hear not much better than the 6.2. Probably not as big of a hit when towing (and they have a ton more power) but not much to write home about. No doubt they run cleaner (and leak less) than a 7.3 though.

Well I work in the RV industry and these new fifth wheels get close to 40+ feet long and 20,000 lbs. You definitely need a truck capable of towing a rig like that. If people have the money, let them spend. It's not going to stop dodge, chevy and ford from making new trucks that are better than the year before. That's what its all about in the car industry is one upping the previous year. That's the only way to sell new vehicles any more. That's just my opinion on this.

New trucks are doing nothing new but it is like the F-350 is the new F-450 and so on.

Which is why there is now room in the market for a Ranger that is of 2003 and older F-150 dimensions.