Lets talk tractors

[lil_Blue_Ford]

I found a pretty decent NAA or jubilee for 1500 with a front end loader. Guy says it runs good and works well but it needs a head gasket.

The NAA's were OHV correct not flathead like the N's?

The fergusion TO's were on my radar as well since yes they are basically an N ford. It seems like every single one of the TO's i find around here are beat to within an inch of their life.

The older cases and deeres tend to bring good money around here. I wasnt sure when they switched to 3 pts

So Harry Ferguson was the one who came up with the 3-point hitch design, originally called the “Ferguson System”. He was trying to make tractors in Europe but had a hard go at things (TE-20 was the European version) and finally talked with Henry Ford to create the N series. Unfortunately Ferguson got a little greedy and started building and selling the TO-20 series in the USA and there was a subsequent falling out between the two. Ferguson went on to build tractors for a few years before selling out to the Massy-Harris company which then became Massy Ferguson. Other manufacturers couldn’t use the 3 point system until after the patent ran out unless they got authorization. The design of the 3-point lets a smaller tractor do the work of a larger one with ground engaging implements.

Another fun fact, the famous exploration (Sir Edmond Hillary’s) to find the South Pole used TE-20 tractors to drag their supplies across Antartica.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I added a 3-point to my ‘42 allis-C and it was a $500 disappointment, my ‘64 ford 2000 is a really good tractor though. I paid $3000 for it 3 years ago. Its not exactly stock as it was originally a diesel and for whatever reason it got repowered with a gas 172 (48 hp) engine like a 4000 would have. the original gas engine would be a 30 hp 134. the NAA was right after the “N” series with a ohv 134 and could sometimes be found with a sherman, the ‘53 was known as the “jubilee” and some considered it to be a collectable. The only thing I wish my 2000 had was power steering, I grew up with a 4000 that had power steering and it sure is nice to have. my implements are a 5’ bush hog, boom pole, back blade & a reversible soil scoop. The allis was best suited for what it came with, a 6’ belly mower. View attachment 112696View attachment 112697View attachment 112698View attachment 112699

Curious....

Hows that scoop work?

That was one of the things i wanted for it. I mostly want it for moving horse shit (i tend to toss it outside in a pile then move it and dump it in various places and spread it around with a blade)

I use the bucket i got for my quad now...but its beating the hell out of it.

Also the boom pole would be handy (i think) for picking up logs that are to heavy to move by hand and postion them on the splitter.

I found this thing about 1.5 hrs away. Ugly as sin but he said it runs good, lifts good, tires are good. Looks like its been 12v converted though.

Its a 9n. It is missing the 3pole for the 3pt (30-50 bucks) and a drawbar (50bucks ish).

He wants 975 for it.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Also just noticed its missing the footwell

 

[Shran]

My buddy had an 8N that he used for brush hog mowing and it worked pretty well but he had big wide open spaces to mow. I know he complained about it being hard to use in tight spaces.

He replaced that with one of the smaller Kubota tractors - one or two sizes up from a garden tractor - small enough that you could get a belly mower but big enough that it had a cab with AC, 3 point, loader/ quick tach deal on the front. For the most part it is a really nice lawn mower but the loader is total weak sauce. It won't pick up more than about 500lbs. He tried picking up a 460 engine with it and it wouldn't budge. I think he was pretty disappointed with that.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Also found this thing. 59 case 801. Power steering, runs/drives/lifts for 1200 bucks. Also a diesel

Way more tractor then i need though...but its got a case-o-matic...im getting mixed reviews online on them

 

[sgtsandman]

Don't overlook the Japanese grey market tractors. I bought a Yanmar 2000BD 20 years ago and it has been a reliable and useful tractor. I use it bushhogging, hauling, rototilling, plowing, etc. It's basically a John Deere 240, I think.

I thought Yanmar was Indian, or am I confusing that with Mahindira?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

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Also found this thing. 59 case 801. Power steering, runs/drives/lifts for 1200 bucks. Also a diesel

Way more tractor then i need though...but its got a case-o-matic...im getting mixed reviews online on them

Weird to get the hang of, awesome once you get onto it. Basically a torque converter in front of a normal gear transmission. Far superior to a IH TA.

Maintenance is key, it should engage crisply. My grandpa farmed with a 800, and my dad has had one forever too. 801 is a 800 diesel, 811 is gas.

700 is pretty much the same thing but with a normal clutch.

Dad's at a tractor ride/show a year ago.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I thought Yanmar was Indian, or am I confusing that with Mahindira?

Mahindra is Korean IIRC, Yanmar is Japanese and builds a lot of the smaller JD stuff.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Weird to get the hang of, awesome once you get onto it. Basically a torque converter in front of a normal gear transmission. Far superior to a IH TA.

Maintenance is key, it should engage crisply. My grandpa farmed with a 800, and my dad has had one forever too. 801 is a 800 diesel, 811 is gas.

700 is pretty much the same thing but with a normal clutch.

Dad's at a tractor ride/show a year ago.

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Are they decently reliable? Fixable if broke?

Glad you have experience with one.

How about the engine itself? Are the diesels that far back good?

I think im gonna check out that 9n but if its junk i might give that old case a hard look

That case would likely not even break a sweat doing what id do with it. According to tractor data they are 60hp.

Would my 10k GVWR trailer handle it? Its only 30ish miles away

 

[PlumCrazy]

Mahindra is Korean IIRC, Yanmar is Japanese and builds a lot of the smaller JD stuff.

Mahindra is an Indian company. A lot of the Mahindra stuff is actually made by Mitsubishi in Japan.

 

[PlumCrazy]

My vote for a cheaperish tractor that has is nimble and can handle most small jobs would be an Allis D14 or D15. Series 2 D15 had 3 point as a factory option and most have power steering.

 

[franklin2]

Curious....

Hows that scoop work?

That was one of the things i wanted for it. I mostly want it for moving horse shit (i tend to toss it outside in a pile then move it and dump it in various places and spread it around with a blade)

I use the bucket i got for my quad now...but its beating the hell out of it.

Also the boom pole would be handy (i think) for picking up logs that are to heavy to move by hand and postion them on the splitter.

View attachment 112746

I found this thing about 1.5 hrs away. Ugly as sin but he said it runs good, lifts good, tires are good. Looks like its been 12v converted though.

Its a 9n. It is missing the 3pole for the 3pt (30-50 bucks) and a drawbar (50bucks ish).

He wants 975 for it.

converted to 12v is a good thing. I put harnesses on two different tractors and converted them to 12v at the same time.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Are they decently reliable? Fixable if broke?

Glad you have experience with one.

How about the engine itself? Are the diesels that far back good?

I think im gonna check out that 9n but if its junk i might give that old case a hard look

That case would likely not even break a sweat doing what id do with it. According to tractor data they are 60hp.

Would my 10k GVWR trailer handle it? Its only 30ish miles away

Engine is good, you would like it. 60hp is kind of a lie, it will paddle a 60hp tractor. Tons of torque, long stroke slow turning engine if you know what I am talking about. On paper it should be like a JD 3010, it will look a stock 4010 in the eye though. COM is a huge cheat code for a lot more torque on demand.

They are kind of a cold blooded indirect injected rather low compression diesel. They don't take a lot of ether well. Plug the block heater in and keep a good battery in it and if it is in good shape it will start.

Dad bought a second 800 at a farm sale a few years ago. It was like 50 degrees and had been raining off and on. They did the traditional start up before they sold it. It cranked for awhile and just as dramatically as it could popped, banged and farted when it started. Smoke came out from everywhere. The crowd visibly took a step back. It smoothed out and cleared up and ran smooth after its quick commotion. Normal operation, nothing to be scared of folks... it went super cheap thanks to its theatrics though. The exhaust manifold actually has a drain hole in it so it can blow smoke out the bottom at start up lol.

The COM is a concern. If it works great... if it doesn't you may have a hard time finding anybody that knows anything about it. We have done nothing but keep clean oil in our two. Grandpa bought his in the late 60's and dad snagged his first one in the early 80's.

The seat uses a torsional rubber spring, only one company makes them anymore and they are junk. Dad makes a bracket to put a coil spring under the seat. It is sad about the rubber springs, lots of older tractors use them. Dad is also partial to fitting a 70 series seat with arm rests.

I think they weigh about 6-7k dry. I see two sets of weights on this one which are typically 150lb each... add more if it has fluid. Your trailer should be ok... may need a better truck though.

 

[scotts90ranger]

On hauling, if you go to tractordata and look up the tractors it gives weights... Although not recommended I hauled a Ford 9000 on my F350 once for about 40 miles on our big trailer (two 6k pound axles), kept at 50 or lower...

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

On hauling, if you go to tractordata and look up the tractors it gives weights... Although not recommended I hauled a Ford 9000 on my F350 once for about 40 miles on our big trailer (two 6k pound axles), kept at 50 or lower...

Options add weight over the shipping weight too. Wide front axle, bolt on weights, liquid ballast in tires, oversize tires etc.