inline 6's

[Will]

My 300-6 was in a '77 F100 with a 3 on the tree. I used it to move M101A1 howitzers to the wash rack when nobody important was in the gunpark. We droped the lunette over my trailer ball and someone sat on the trails so it wouldn't pop up on a bump. It ran well--I don't know the mileage as I spent most of my time in the field. I was the only one in the battery, or even battalion, with a truck so I had more best friends than I ever had. Pickups were not as common then.

These things have a good hard buzz to them. That's all. They don't have much power. Your first on ramp with any kind of load and you will know what I mean. A 60hp nitrous button will be like having a 302. As I said elsewhere--they belong in a field turning a pump.

That's not an insult. That's where they belong. Or being a natural gas powered back-up generator for a children's hospital.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Depends on what you consider power.

I think your definition of power is being able to do 45-70 onramp runs with a 5000lbs camper.

My definitionof power is pulling a stuck tractor out of axle deep mud.

The latter the 300 excels at.

later,
Dustin

 

[Will]

You can't pull a stuck tractor out of axle deep mud with a pickup. Cutting along fencerows I've been pulled out by tractors but I've not seen anything pull out a tractor except a bigger tractor.

My idea of power is you are at a stoplight at the bottom of a 6% hill and you have 9,200# of trailer behind you--a Deere MC crawler on a steel flatdeck. There's traffic all around. The light changes, you mash the gas, the converter flashes, the boost and egts shoot up, the truck hits second at 15mph and at 30mph you step on the splitter pedal and you're in 2H. At 35mph you click off the splitter, the trans goes into third and the boost and egts climb and then at 45mph you step on the splitter pedal and you are in overdrive...

And you are in traffic still, not blocking the road with your pathetic 120hp engine. That's a real-life scene for me. What would I want with a 300-6?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

If u clicked the links that i posted u would have been able to read about them. The doc tc 24v I6 and the 5.4 come from the factory... Granted its a 4.0 I6 by the way. U could pick up that f6 ute fully loaded for $51,83.65.

I say if u are going to do it use the 4.9....

Sorry, I am leary of clicking on unmarked links at work...

Depends on what you consider power.

I think your definition of power is being able to do 45-70 onramp runs with a 5000lbs camper.

My definition of power is pulling a stuck tractor out of axle deep mud.

The latter the 300 excels at.

later,
Dustin

MAYBE your Cub, but generally a decent sized tractor up to the axles will do nothing but grin back at your pickup's effort. Tractors will go farther than a pickup to begin with, and get heavier FAST. It doesn't take much for anything newer than a 1960's machine to start pushing 10,000lbs which would be hard for a pickup to pull on its own without it buried in mud. Add in small 15.5-38 tires buried up to the axle and you are done before you start.

When we stick a tractor, we reach for a bigger tractor and leave a pickup out of the picture... and we have yet to bury one that deep, it takes effort on the drivers part to make it get to that point and a poor judgment of conditions.

 

[bmxican009]

hell yeah

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I was making a point.

Will your refering to your 6.2L again. A diesel that carries 1.3L more of displacement and two more cylinders is not a fair comparision.

If you wanna compare that then compare it against my 400 big block. With the same stroke and bore as a 300 its basically a V8 Version of the 300. No doubt in my mind it would walk all over that 6.2L with a measly 9200lbs.

Get a 4.3L and compare to a 300, or even a 305 or god condemn me for doing this a 350. I gurantee that 300 will hold its own (if not then some).

later,
Dustin

 

[Ozwynn]

I was making a point.

Will your refering to your 6.2L again. A diesel that carries 1.3L more of displacement and two more cylinders is not a fair comparision.

If you wanna compare that then compare it against my 400 big block. With the same stroke and bore as a 300 its basically a V8 Version of the 300. No doubt in my mind it would walk all over that 6.2L with a measly 9200lbs.

Get a 4.3L and compare to a 300, or even a 305 or god condemn me for doing this a 350. I gurantee that 300 will hold its own (if not then some).

later,
Dustin

not sure about a 4.3L or a 305....... but I can tell you a 350 TBI is enough to motivate a 3/4 Suburban and a 9000# trailer down the road @ 90 mph. I came across South Dakota and Minnesota averaging 75 mph and getting 11 mpg pulling a 16'Lx6.5'wx7' tall box trailer with 6800# of house hold goods plus about 1000# or so in the Suburban. was able to hold 75 in the mountains in Montana and WY....... and that was with 3.42 gears and 265/75/16's (about 31.8")

the 300 may get the load rolling quicker but about the time the 4L80E shifts into 3rd gear the 300 is done.

now compare the EFI 302 to the TBI 350 and the 302 has 10 more HP and the the same torque around the same numbers....... A stock EFI 302 will walk away from a stock TBI 350 and a stock EFI 351 will beat the crap out of it.

 

[Will]

I was making a point.

Will your refering to your 6.2L again. A diesel that carries 1.3L more of displacement and two more cylinders is not a fair comparision.

If you wanna compare that then compare it against my 400 big block. With the same stroke and bore as a 300 its basically a V8 Version of the 300. No doubt in my mind it would walk all over that 6.2L with a measly 9200lbs.

Get a 4.3L and compare to a 300, or even a 305 or god condemn me for doing this a 350. I gurantee that 300 will hold its own (if not then some).

later,
Dustin

You think your 400 will out run my turbo 6.2 with 9,000# behind it? I'll bet my truck against a 460. I've passed a lot of 460s on hills but if a 460 guy wanted to press the issue and use his rpms it would be close as the maximum power is similar. There's no comparison between a 6.2 with 12# of boost and a 400. All the want-to in the world won't overcome to 40% difference in torque and power.

The 300 vs 4.3-hmm. You know we raced a 5.8 F250 against a 4.3 Jimmy, both with identical trailers and B2s on them and the Jimmy won. And in that race I was betting on, and driving, the F250. The '96 2wd regular cab F250 and Jimmy are very close in weight and thought the F250 had better torque (315ft# to 260ft#) and better power (210hp to 190hp) the Jimmy had the gearing to be in the right gear for the hill where the F250 was either redlined or didn't have the torque to accelerate when I upshifted. So a 300 is close enough that a gearing advantage might swing it's way, but I would bet on the 4.3.

My truck has 6 gears spread between 2.48 and .78 so it's always in the right gear to accelerate. And I don't think you know what happens to a naturally aspirated diesel when you boosted it nearly a whole atmosphere and turn the pump all the way up. I would bet you my title against your 400 F350 in a timed run up our 6% 1-mile grade with a 10,500# trailer--which is my trailer with the JD MC crawler on it and my little Bobcat loader across the front. I'll drop you off at the bus station on my way down to Kroots to crush your pickup.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The 400 is a good engine, they will pull a lot more than they ought to, I know we have had close to 15k behind my dads... but I wouldn't enter it in a serious race. It would be fun to compare (especially after we rebuild it, it is starting show its years) but while I wouldn't expect to win I don't know if it would be a blowout either. 10k is roughly our triple axle trailer with one 5k tractor, and before its age caught up to it recently it was pretty comfy with that around here. The T-18 with 4.10's is a pretty slick setup for pulling below 70mph, I don't know if it is capible of going much faster without flirting with the redline but with a 55mph speed limit who cares.

They are one of my favorite engines... and quite possibly I will someday replace my F-150 with a 80's F-350 with a 400 for a tow rig that can sit when I don't need it. Tough, cheap torque. Similar in #'s to a 2v 5.4 if I remember right, just bigger and thirstier.

If you do do this, dibs on Dustin's 400 before you junk it, dad's has had iffy oil pressure lately. (JK)

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I didnt really realize what your gear splitters did will. Yes with 6 diff gears to choose from (compared to my 4) you probely would beat me, but not by much. It would also be eaiser with your truck because with an automatic you wont lose time between shifts. I can shift a 4sp rather quickly, but sometimes its hard to grab a gear when your wide open up hill with that much of a load. Id pry be neck and neck off the line, and untill i had to punch 4th. Once you hit "Road Gear" is where it goes from all out grunt to getting up to hwy speeds. It wont go much over 65-70mph anyways.

Theres no doubt in my mind though it wouldnt tottally blow my 400 away.

With the work thats done to my 400, i would put it against a stock 460, with the RV cam, headers, and 650 4bbl it runs pretty damn good.

If that 6.2L was in a truck like my F350 (with just a T18 and 4.30 rear) i bet that ol 400 would suprise ya.


As far as the jimmy beating the F250.....i believe you left out the fact the jimmy had 4.10 gears, and the F250 prolly had 3.55's or something. If you woulda had a slug of a 4.3L powered 3/4ton saddled with the same 3.55 gears (and i really doubt they were close in weight) that 351 woulda walked it.

When i took my colorado to the dealer and dropped it off to get the cruise fix they gave me an 04 chevy 1/2ton 4x4 automatic reg cab/long box with a 4.3L in it. 3.55 gears. Basically the same setup as my 300. The 4.3L was snappyier, but lost it quick on hills (spically from a dead stop), if you woulda hooked any kind of weight behind it it woulda had its tounge draggin.

In a 1/4 mi against a 300, my money would be on the 4.3L, in a 1/4 mi pulling 8 or 9,000lbs, itd be on the 300.

The 300 is a stout, stout engine. You for some reason cant seem to grasp that. The one 300 you owned probely had 2.96 gears or something in it. I bet it would get 20+MPG though.

later,
Dustin