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The ol' B has had some fluid retention problems, mainly it seeps oil out the left axle, leaks oil out the right axle pretty bad, and the rockshaft piston leaks hydraulic fluid into the transmission... letting the three point creep down. Nothing major, just a little very well deserved maintenance after 62 years of hard work.

Before we started:
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Under the knife with the rockshaft housing off:
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John Deere's "Better Idea" for holding the wheels on, rather than use bolts like my A-C's they have this collar thing that locks it into the splines... after 60+ years they are very reluctant to move. They haven't been adjusted for the 30 years it has been in the family, and I am going to wager to say a fair bit longer than that too, they are STUCK.
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The rockshaft housing came right off, as did the sleeve for the rockshaft piston (the piston is seen hanging off the front) I didn't expect the piston to still be full of oil, hence the puddle. This is what is used to lift implements for those that haven't been around one, the square shafts sticking out of the sides are like a crankshaft for the piston and turn when oil is pumped into it.
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(With the three point on it to show what the rockshaft does http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1167/301/2915150060_large.jpg)

The piston cup is pretty much shot, it is really wierd it worked as good as it did, hard to imagine that thing holding oil for any length of time.
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A look at what is left on the tractor:
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Here is the right axle, note the gunk on the axle and on the outer rim, that is rear end oil.
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Left axle, just a little bit of gunk on the axle shaft, I have never seen it drip or puddle so I think it just has a seep. Needless to say it is getting fixed too.
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A look into the final drive/differential/transmission. Don't need no fancy hypoid ring and pinion here, just straight cut gears. The big "bull" gears are how you gear something down without making the differential rediculusly weak. As you can see, Deere used kind of a funky design for the diff itself but it must have worked ok, it is rare for them to give problems. Someone has had problems with the right shaft before, notice how the nut is cranked down past the locking hole for the cotter pin (already removed) A guess is it spun a bearing on the shaft and wore the lip down on the shaft, the axle slides in and out a quarter of an inch so cranking it down didn't fix it...
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A peek under the bull gears reveals what powers the PTO shaft. Aside from running the hydraulics it is a shaft that sticks out the back and runs mowers, augers... pretty much anything that turns. There is a coupler that connects this to the stub you can see under the rockshaft piston.
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Since we couldn't get the wheel off of the axle, we removed it as an assembly. There are bolts that hold the cast iron center to the part that clamps on the axle, we got the nuts off but because the tractor was in the way we could beat them out. The came right out with the assembly removed and we could get a clear shot at them with a sledge.
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The inner axle seal, as suspected is shot, the metal spring is showing. There is supposed to be an outer felt seal too, but we found no evidence of it.:icon_confused: The bearings were worn, but not terrible. This process isn't fun enough to risk it so it is getting new ones anyway.
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As I left it Sunday in my parents garage, the dealership sent us the felts and piston cup for the later style and I ran out of time anyway. The right ones should have been in today, hopefully we can get it done this next weekend (still have to do the otherside too)
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That, is one cool tractor. Thanks for sharing.

Is it just me, or do they not make things like they used to?
 
very cool rebuild. But the best way to gut a deer would be a big bumper and about 90mph. like when you play crus'in USA you hit a deer and it self quarters.
 
That, is one cool tractor. Thanks for sharing.

Is it just me, or do they not make things like they used to?


No problem.

Back then they were designed so anybody could work on them, and I mean anybody. In '46 when this thing was built quite a few people were still using horses for farmwork, so they had converts that have absolutly no experiance working on or with tractors wanting to buy them so they had to overbuild them. No emissions what-so-ever really simplifies things too.

I don't see modern machinery lasting that long, with the electronics and plastic I just don't see it being feasable to keep them around.

It is really neat to think that all that stuff in there was drawn and made pretty much by hand, sure they had lathes and whatnot, but there was a guy there really running the machine and not just pushing a button and letting the computer do it.

I really do wish I had a place to keep it inside so I could straighten the sheetmetal and really paint it though.:bawling:
 
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I've been trying to break the track master pin loose on mine all spring. I go out and whack on it for a while and hose it down with 'Blaster. Haven't used heat yet.

Mine is a '49 and doesn't have that implement lift. It has a splined PTO and then a big wooden drum that my dad said they used to run a ripsaw off for cutting firewood when he was a kid (not this tractor).
 
We have a belted (your drum) was ordered for a saw mill "M", and also a Super M.....

My old boss has two original, Minneapolis Moliens restored stock.

We still work a lot of Internationals and Case IH's on the farm from unknown dates.... 60's and 70's mainly.

But today I tore the hydraulic pump off of a 464 International (not a Case IH, that was later when they merged), we keep getting metal shavings in the hydraulic system, we presumed it was the pump (but the shavings are magnetic, the housing on pump is aluminum) and when I tore further into the pump the bearings are good.
When the tractor idles it will lose hydraulics (as well as with running in a field) so we are starting to think it's the input shaft to the "pto" power take off, that is wearing... because those are the only two mobile parts when the tractor is in neutral.

Me and my dad, and my current boss have broken down a lot of tractors, and found a whole lot of surprises.... you know if you get a clutch hot enough it will get moisture inside the housing and seize? I do now........ LOL
Hydro-statics are the only tractors I do not enjoy.... they are a major pain to find the valves and lines that accompany each other. If my boss hadn't been an IH dealer for 25 yrs and his father for 40 years, we wouldn't have all the original owners manuals, hehe.

Frank
 
Always love different tech!
 
We have a belted (your drum) was ordered for a saw mill "M", and also a Super M.....

Mine's an MC with a dozer blade. I bought it to grade off a draw I filled in. It drives well but one steering clutch slips when you get into it. You can only do so much with one track pushing, though it's still amazingly strong and you can grade in circles. I've not been wanting to heat the track pin with a torch but I guess I will. Or maybe take the thing somewhere if they still know how to work on these.
 
We used to have a 46 "B" but it was an AC. With the bucket and Woods mower, sure made cleaning up after the horses a lot easier. Looks like a fun, interesting project.
Dave
 
My uncle still uses my Grandpa's Farmall "C" (1948-1951) for everyday jobs around the farm. He has the corn cultivator attachment for it. The only problem is that every other year we need to split it and replace the clutch. After Grandpa passed we thought of restoring it but just haven't had the time to yet.
 
I've been trying to break the track master pin loose on mine all spring. I go out and whack on it for a while and hose it down with 'Blaster. Haven't used heat yet.

Mine is a '49 and doesn't have that implement lift. It has a splined PTO and then a big wooden drum that my dad said they used to run a ripsaw off for cutting firewood when he was a kid (not this tractor).

Crawlers don't usually have a rear lift, back then they were mainly used for lifting and lowering a front mounted cultivator... which you can't put on a crawer. A regular M should have some sort of a lift on it, they are not too common around here so I am not for sure.

Never been around a dozer so I can't help you on the tracks, I did watch a little M/40/420/430 (it had no paint or decals) crawler smooth at the track at a tractor pull, it looked like a lot of fun to run.

Belt pulleys were being phased out in the 40's and 50's for PTO shafts, so it is common to have both in that time frame. They were used for about everything, from running thrashing machines, water pumps, buzzsaws... whatever. I haven't seen a wooden pulley, some brands made them out of compressed sheets of paper. FWI they don't last long outdoors. On my B it is steel and part of the clutch on the right side of the crankshaft.

We have a belted (your drum) was ordered for a saw mill "M", and also a Super M.....

My old boss has two original, Minneapolis Moliens restored stock.

We still work a lot of Internationals and Case IH's on the farm from unknown dates.... 60's and 70's mainly.

But today I tore the hydraulic pump off of a 464 International (not a Case IH, that was later when they merged), we keep getting metal shavings in the hydraulic system, we presumed it was the pump (but the shavings are magnetic, the housing on pump is aluminum) and when I tore further into the pump the bearings are good.
When the tractor idles it will lose hydraulics (as well as with running in a field) so we are starting to think it's the input shaft to the "pto" power take off, that is wearing... because those are the only two mobile parts when the tractor is in neutral.

Me and my dad, and my current boss have broken down a lot of tractors, and found a whole lot of surprises.... you know if you get a clutch hot enough it will get moisture inside the housing and seize? I do now........ LOL
Hydro-statics are the only tractors I do not enjoy.... they are a major pain to find the valves and lines that accompany each other. If my boss hadn't been an IH dealer for 25 yrs and his father for 40 years, we wouldn't have all the original owners manuals, hehe.

Frank

Will's is a little John Deere, not a big Farmall.

My dad used to work for John Deere as a mechanic in the 70's and 80's until that dealer got bought out and he got fed up with the new management started his own shop in '87. He has accumulated all the books and fiche (sp) cards for these things, and he has been in and out of them every which way over the years. I was playing on Deere's website and found that they have a parts lookup and shop manual PDF's on there , even one for my B which I found surprising.
 
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Oh yeah, you can also get on (it's something like) redmachine.org... or some business my boss was telling me, it's an International tech blog.

and John Deere has diagrams available to print off, and parts list also (average dealer prices)

Donny, an older man I work with.... was telling me today about a man who passed away on his hotrod pulling tractor working in the fields, apparantly the tractor was a local legend, and had nitrous assisted startups. It is now rotting away in his wifes yard.

On another note: I was cutting tobacco one day, and a farmer brought out his Classic Pulling tractor "Johnny Popper" and we worked it a few hrs to circulate the oil, blew black O's smoke rings all the time, and the clutch was touchy (all I have to say on that topic)

Those were different times, and it never stops amazing me that hot-rodders live on in so many kick-A fashions.

Frank
 
Very cool work, any updates?

We have a JD 620 w/ power steering at the farm I've been tempted to restore, but it's in pretty good original condition so it may be nicer to keep the original look. I wish I could restore our 2130 as well but it's used every week so I can't see that happening soon.
 
Very cool work, any updates?

We have a JD 620 w/ power steering at the farm I've been tempted to restore, but it's in pretty good original condition so it may be nicer to keep the original look. I wish I could restore our 2130 as well but it's used every week so I can't see that happening soon.

We got new races into the axle tube along with the inner seal and are continuing to wage war with that stupid hub on the axle shaft. We had it cherry red with chisols in between the fingers and it is still stuck. It will be a major PITA to balance the unmounted wheel between the flange and the tractor as we reassemble the axle but it is looking like that will be about our only option... if we keep pushing the issue we could end up with broken hub. I kinda wish they were dished out like on dad's A so the wheel could stay off until the end anyway and that hub could have a good time just being stuck on there.

Sometimes a nice original machine is worth more than one with a new paint job, anyone can throw paint on something but it takes decades of care to keep the original paint looking nice. They must have improved their paint for the numbered series though, it seems for some reason it stays on them better than the letter series.
 

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