ford b!tchslaps gm

[Hopman]

If they'd put a Cummins in a Ford with a 6spd manual, I'd be all over it.

Frank

There's a company called DeStroked that can do just that.

http://www.destroked.com/

Sounds like they can build your dream truck Frankie.

Powerstrokes are okay engines. My dad had one for a few years in a F-45o service truck. The thing liked to eat turbos. I drove one for about a month (in a F-350 with a dump body) for a landscaping company. Okay power, but a Cummins or even a shrunken CAT would've been better.

 

[Frank The Tank]

There's a company called DeStroked that can do just that.

http://www.destroked.com/

Sounds like they can build your dream truck Frankie.

Powerstrokes are okay engines. My dad had one for a few years in a F-45o service truck. The thing liked to eat turbos. I drove one for about a month (in a F-350 with a dump body) for a landscaping company. Okay power, but a Cummins or even a shrunken CAT would've been better.

Those guys are D-Bags......... from everyone I've talked to that dealt with em

Cat is a superior engine....... but in the semi's just to rebuild one (at home in your garage) cost my bosses cousin 12k minimum!!!!!! I mean hell our whole N-14 powered semi was half that.

Frank

 

[Hopman]

Cat is a superior engine
Frank

Plus CAT can be a real PITA when it comes to computer stuff. But I do agree that they do make kickin' engines. I've only driven ONE truck with a CAT, and that was my dad's Freightliner FL50 service truck. Given that the wick was turned way down, it had good power.

Maybe GM should ditch the DuraCrap and partner with CAT on a new engine. Better yet, a Super Duty with a CAT engine!

 

[feellnfroggy]

Ford has em beat way before Garbage Machines had another company make a higher output motor, cause GM can't build a trans to handle it, and they can't build a frame to handle the power it can produce, which is why once again Ford rules, Even though chevy had higher hp and tq numbers, Ford has a higher payload and more towing capacity, and all with a lower output engine...
SVT

The allison trans can def handle the number, we used them in our LMTV's which if i remember correctly runs a cat 6. Its pretty torqey.

BUt seriously is the other guy splitting hairs over percentage points? In the words of the famed Vin Diesel (no pun intended) WINING IS WINNING!!!!

It might have been a planned stunt, just makes me all that much more proud of Ford they are finally actively fighting back against their oponents.

 

[Frank The Tank]

In the words of the famed Vin Diesel (no pun intended) WINNING IS WINNING!!!!

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It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or by a mile..... I mean this one time I was racing a quartermile race and I threw my civic in reverse on accident and hit the NOS, so I mean the other guy did win by a mile.... but it may as well have been an inch.

Frank

I'll vouch for the allison anyday, we pulled our loaded grain truck 84k lbs with my bosses daily driver 3500 d-max a couple miles to our shop so we could replace a popped driveshaft.

 

[Hopman]

I'll vouch for the allison anyday, we pulled our loaded grain truck 84k lbs with my bosses daily driver 3500 d-max a couple miles to our shop so we could replace a popped driveshaft.

Agreed. Alli's are good gearboxes. The local bus company (which my dad works for on occasion) has them in all their coaches. If they can survive Boston traffic, they're good in my book.

In fact, if somebody offered me a heavy duty with a automatic that WASN'T an Allison, I'd tell them to go take a long walk off a short pier.

 

[JohnnyU]

Anyone who is really in the know, wouldn't buy a Cat Engine newer than Tier III Emissions Compliant.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.....

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

All but the old 7.3 PS have proved time and time again to be garbage and the 7.3 was a slug to mod..... way to go Ford by ruining good engines with "FORD SPECS"

If they'd put a Cummins in a Ford with a 6spd manual, I'd be all over it.
But Dodge has a great drivetrain and no truck.
Ford has a great truck and scrap engines.........
Chevy has a suck suspension but the most median combination right now going, so they get my vote.
I love our D-max at work.

To me, factory numbers don't mean jack...... they're just numbers to sell trucks. Once you get it off the lot and into the garage.... that's where the power is made, you just need durability.
I think Ford has been putting out engines that were pushing their limitations on power from the factory to begin with......... we know what the cummins and the D-max can take extremely modded, lets see how the new PS holds up. It may surprise me, but I doubt it.



Frank

Kind of funny, everytime Navistar patched together another engine for Ford one of the first questions almost anyone asks is: "I wonder if it is as good as the 7.3?"

Put headstuds in a 6.0 (Navistar says not to) and delete the EGR and you have a bulletproof engine. IMO Navistar in their heavy truck world didn't really plan on the amount of boost that people trying to make a racetruck would crank their engines up to. Barring a turbo failure, they rarely have problems on a truck without a tuner blowing headgaskets.

The 6.4 has had very few problems, the radiator has some issues (my theory is that it is due to a lack of radiator support structure in the front of the truck) but it is hard to blame that on the engine itself. Aside from a crappy layout (that requires removing either the cab or the tranny to remove the turbo) it has few things to complain about.

With 6 headbolts per cylinder and an engine laid out by the same people that designed the truck (cab/tranny removal is no longer required for engine work) it would seem most of their problems have been kicked to the curb with the 6. People have came back all smiles with the power the old tune had and the milage. About 20mpg when they come back for the first oil change.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

The 7.3 is a slug to mod? What does that mean? The 7.3 is a work horse, end of story.....

 

[Hopman]

The 7.3 is a slug to mod? What does that mean? The 7.3 is a work horse, end of story.....

It's even been used in trucks up Class 7 as the DT444E.

Personally, I like the DT466 better.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

I know this quite well hop man, as I work on 'em. You wanna talk about internationals monster the DT 530 E, a 466 on steroids... hehehehehe

Like I said earlier in this post you can take an international nav pak and put into a ford and there wont be a transmission you can find to bolt up inside the frame rails to hold it even though it is rated at a lower HP and wont let it rev much over 3 grand.....

 

[Hopman]

I know this quite well Hopman, as I work on 'em. You wanna talk about internationals monster the DT 530 E, a 466 on steroids... hehehehehe

I've never had the pleasure of driving truck with a 530E. Sounds like it'll pull hills like a madman. I wonder if I can get one to fit in the engine bay of my Ranger...

 

[Frank The Tank]

The 7.3 is a slug to mod? What does that mean? The 7.3 is a work horse, end of story.....

Exactly......... work horse. That's it.

It's a turd to race, I'm not talking making it smoke or get up to 400hp, I mean freaking mod.......... my dd vp 24v was over 575hp, and it was nothing compared to my friend Jordan James 1000hp common rail dd (he's also a local sled-pulling legend, lol). Another local guy was spraying nos with twins through a 7.3.......... guess what, he now has a twinned 5.9 p-pump 12 valve in his F-250. Because it was costing him so much money.........

466 4TW gotta love em!!!!!
Navistar had a great engine.......... Ford killed their reputation on purpose by forcing navistart o stop modifying and improving (which is what they are best at) their current platform and build all new to Ford spec.

Frank

 

[Hopman]

466 FTW gotta love em!!!!!

Frank

The DT466 and Detroit Diesel Series 60 are the SB Chevy and the Hemi in the heavy truck world. Both have "legendary" status of being durable, damn near unstopable workhorses.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

Thats my point why mod a workhorse motor? you want to mod something use a 6.0 or 6.4 leave the 7.3 to do its job, thats what it was made for. Now you wanna talk about legendary I am in the process of trying to talk a fella into a price i'm comfy with for a mack super liner with the 998 cube v8 greasel