ford b!tchslaps gm

[zukirider21]

It's all pretty much a wash with that much power anyways.

x2! its just getting ridiculous these days... but above all its still pretty funny what ford did.

 

[zukirider21]

now hold up. that is undeniably true. (please lets not hijack this thread if you need proof pm me for a very detailed explanation of this)

PM sent. please, ENLIGHTEN ME

 

[Will]

Who cares about torque? If you drive something big an heavy, you know that the torque peak goes by the moment you let the clutch up from a stop and you never see it again. What you want is for that bastard to PULL up to the next shift. That's horsepower. I just drove my 20,000# 185hp bus for 1,200miles this week and I want 400hp and I don't care where the stupid torque peak is. I shift at 2900 (fuel cut-off) and it recovers at about 1900, well above the peak, so who cares? Give me the power.

Heavy duty engines are sold by horsepower.Torque is a motionless measurement. It doesn't move anything. Give me the HP.

 

[cammeddrz]

Who cares about torque? If you drive something big an heavy, you know that the torque peak goes by the moment you let the clutch up from a stop and you never see it again. What you want is for that bastard to PULL up to the next shift. That's horsepower. I just drove my 20,000# 185hp bus for 1,200miles this week and I want 400hp and I don't care where the stupid torque peak is. I shift at 2900 (fuel cut-off) and it recovers at about 1900, well above the peak, so who cares? Give me the power.

Heavy duty engines are sold by horsepower.Torque is a motionless measurement. It doesn't move anything. Give me the HP.

so will would you agree that .8% is hardly a "b*tchslap" ? and that the title of this thread is misleading?

 

[zukirider21]

Heavy duty engines are sold by horsepower.Torque is a motionless measurement. It doesn't move anything. Give me the HP.

this is entirely false. hp is merely torque @ a given speed.

put a 225hp honda 4 cylinder rice burner motor in a foxbody, and see how it compares to a stock 225hp 5.0. no comparison. torque matters. period.

and will, your shifting technique proves nothing more than that there's a shit ton more rotating inertia coming from an engine at higher rpms. um duh???

 

[crusin93]

this is entirely false. hp is merely torque @ a given speed.

put a 225hp honda 4 cylinder rice burner motor in a foxbody, and see how it compares to a stock 225hp 5.0. no comparison. torque matters. period.

I'm fairly confident that in at least 10 countries this abomination will result in caining or worse. However, I like the way you think. Simple real world physics.

 

[zukirider21]

hahaha yeah i think i would cry if i saw a vtec in a mustang

 

[cammeddrz]

hahaha yeah i think i would cry if i saw a vtec in a mustang

which would make you cry worse a vtec in a mustang, or a vortec in a mustang?

 

[twoll86]

question: if that is true why do the f-550's have a cummins engine, with an allison trans? it looks like they needed a non-ford engine to produce hp that they couldn't build a trans to handle.

if im not mistaken neither the allison or the cummins are mad bt chevy or dodge the are out side companies that sell that 2 the diesel crowd. so thats why ford has both cause the cummins is a tried and true engine and the alison is a monster trans so i can see why thats the combo in the f550

 

[zukirider21]

which would make you cry worse a vtec in a mustang, or a vortec in a mustang?

lmao definitely the vtec

 

[holyford86]

question: if that is true why do the f-550's have a cummins engine, with an allison trans? it looks like they needed a non-ford engine to produce hp that they couldn't build a trans to handle.

all of the F550s that I have seen have had a ford powertrain, not a cummins/allison powertrain...

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

I think he means the 650 and 750's

 

[Will]

this is entirely false. hp is merely torque @ a given speed.

put a 225hp honda 4 cylinder rice burner motor in a foxbody, and see how it compares to a stock 225hp 5.0. no comparison. torque matters. period.

and will, your shifting technique proves nothing more than that there's a shit ton more rotating inertia coming from an engine at higher rpms. um duh???

My shifting technique? Cars and pickups are all so over powered that you don't need a shifting technique. When you drive something big, you use it all. If your shifting technique involves keeping the engine around the torque peak you'll never get it out of first gear. Go ask a trucker if he would rather have his torque-peak 100rpm lower or another 100rpm on the top end. Chances are, he doesn't even know what his torque is. He probably knows he has 375hp and wishes he had 475hp. Until recently, they didn't even publish torque figures and some still may not. Go look at the certification tags on the engines.

We were talking about diesel pickups which, presumably, are meant to haul loads. Now you are talking about Fox body Mustangs. It only matters if the engine isn't matched to the drivetrain and doesn't have the right gear to actually see maximum horsepower. For a street car definately having a bigger, lower rpm engine is more useful and fun. On the strip, with each car set up for it's particular engine, they will reach the trap at the same time.

Horsepower isn't torque at a given speed. Torque isn't work. Work is force (torque) and distance. Horsepower is torque, distance and time. However you get there doesn't matter. The way you get the load to the top of the hill in as brief a time as possible, or to the end of the 1/4-mile, is with horsepower, period. The engine's characteristics, whatever they are, are dealt with via the transmission and axle gearing.

Hp is a 3-legged stool and torque is only one leg of it. My 200# granny standing on a 4' lever is good for 800ft#.

 

[straycat]

anyone hear bout the new 6.7 powerstroke and how it was originally rated at 390hp/735tq, then the duracrap tries to one up them by doing 397/765, then within a week after that gm ad airs ford offers an entirely FREE re-flash to all 6.7 owners that bumps power up to 400/800!!!! am i the only one that thinks thats frickin AWESOME hahahaha?!

Who cares? Who is buying this for a dd? How many of us can afford one? It is one really heavy pig rig. It is really a work truck. If I want a play/dd real truck I would spend that huge sum of money on the new Raptor due soon with 411 hp and get the crew cab. I can take that puppy anywhere I want to go!!!! RAPTORS FOR EVER, Bro!!!!!

 

[JohnnyU]

Unfortunately, an Engine's longevity and reliability are typically inversely proportional to the engine's output power/size.

Large engines making relatively small power = longevity. Small engines making relatively big power = short-lived and typically unreliable.

But you seem to know more about this than we do...