debate: ranger vs. tacoma...

[bigcountry]

Toyotas have been IFS since 1984.... we had 2 of those back to the future toys on the ranch....... I always thought the TTB rangers were better off road.... compared to the IFS toys.

Compare the 2000 Tacoma IFS to the 2000 Ranger IFS ....... Toy wins..... I looked at a 2000 ranger when I bought the Tacoma, and if it had not been for Toyota offering huge rebates I would have bough the Ranger, but the Toyota had better ground clearance, bigger tires, quicker, better mileage...... but I hated the seats, and lack of access to the rear seat...... but with the rebates it made the tacoma and the Ranger the same price, the choice was easy...... plus the Toyota had 5spd trucks on the lot, getting a 5spd from Ford is like pulling teeth from a rabid bear.........

auctaully they still had soild front axles till 85 and around that time was when they started going to a fuel injected motor for the 22r which made it a 22re

 

[willievhook]

To me, my Ranger has more room in it then in any of my buddy's tacomas. I'm almost 6'4" 270lbs, and I have plenty of head/leg room in the ol ranger, but in any taco i've been in, my heads rubbing on the ceiling, and I cant really stretch out. Maybe it's just those couple of toyotas i've been in

both are good trucks, but all of my immediate family has only owned Fords. So i'd probably get disowned if I were to buy something else, not that I would anyways

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

The Ranger has needed $1918.26. No labor, I do all the work myself.

Without bashing, I have to ask: "What the heck did you replace on that thing!?"

I'm really just curious what could cost 1900 bucks to fix on a Ranger when you're doing the work yourself. I mean, I could replace the entire drivetrain from the engine fan to the rear axle shafts 2-3 times over for 1900 bucks on any of the 3 fords in my signature. Assuming, of course, I did all the work my self.

I was under the impression that parts for the new ones are just as cheap as parts for the old one. Maybe that is a bad assumption.

I guess I can agree with your statement about the Tacoma having a lower cost of ownership for the length of ownership you're speaking of. But I bet the ranger would be a lot cheaper to own in the extreme long term 25 years / 300,000 - 400,000 miles length of ownership. Basically owning it past the point where either truck has any real salvage value left. It's hard to compete with the huge selection of dirt cheap, readily servicable ranger parts available at about 5 different junkyards within 15 miles of my home. Toyota just hasn't sold enough Tacomas over the years to have well-stocked junkyards.

 

[Jason]

Alternator.
Starter, twice.
front hub assemblies, both. Right side twice.
Front brakes 3 times. (taken out by bad bearing allowing rotor to sit cocked)
Rear brakes twice.
Front axle pinion seal.
Rear axle pinion seal.
Rear wheel cylinders, both.
Front calipers. Both.
Front brake cable.
Left power mirror.

I didn't use junkyard parts since no one around here has squat for an 04. I also don't like used parts but that's a whole thread in itself.


I didn't count the wheels since I haven't replaced them yet even though the aluminum is corroding so badly that 3 out of 4 leak at the bead. I also didn't count anything that didn't NEED to be done, like switching the front bumper to the older edge style. I also didn't included little things like light bulbs. I keep records but not that detailed.

 

[feellnfroggy]

Ill stick with the ranger, it is American and any downfalls it might have can be modded. I didnt fight so I could drive foreign cars. Ill stick with my english and my ranger.

 

[Jason]

Ill stick with the ranger, it is American and any downfalls it might have can be modded. I didnt fight so I could drive foreign cars. Ill stick with my english and my ranger.

I doubt your fighting had anything to do with what kind of car anyone drives, "foreign" or "domestic".

What makes a vehicle "American" to you? Is it being built here? Parts being sourced from the US? Is it where the company has it's figurehead headquarters? Are you aware that NAFTA allows Ford to use Mexico as domestic content but NOT Toyota? Are you aware that Ford takes full advantage of that cheap labor that they don't have to clearly label on the window? Are you aware that all automakers are corporations that have stockholders all over the world and the only profits that matter are the ones the company reinvests in the business? Are you aware of who is reinvesting the most money in to the US? What companies are closing US plants? What companies are building and expanding US plants?

I am guessing the answers to many of these questions will be quite telling if you choose to answer them.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

Alternator.
Starter, twice.
front hub assemblies, both. Right side twice.
Front brakes 3 times. (taken out by bad bearing allowing rotor to sit cocked)
Rear brakes twice.
Front axle pinion seal.
Rear axle pinion seal.
Rear wheel cylinders, both.
Front calipers. Both.
Front brake cable.
Left power mirror.

Wow! You've had more go wrong with that truck than I have with either of my two RBVs and mine are 18 and 20 years old with 185k on the exploder and 265k on the ranger. I can now see why you have the opinion of the Ranger that you have. I'd be interested to know if your experiences have been typical of a newer Ranger or if you've just had bad luck. Perhaps some other newer Ranger owners can chime in with what they've had to fix on their trucks and in how many miles.

 

[Ozwynn]

Ill stick with the ranger, it is American and any downfalls it might have can be modded. I didnt fight so I could drive foreign cars. Ill stick with my english and my ranger.

And I served so I could be free to buy what ever I want .......... And the Tacoma is American made, by Toyota of America....... in fact, all the parts that have failed and needing recall have been manufactured by UAW labor.

 

[Jason]

Wow! You've had more go wrong with that truck than I have with either of my two RBVs and mine are 18 and 20 years old with 185k on the exploder and 265k on the ranger. I can now see why you have the opinion of the Ranger that you have. I'd be interested to know if your experiences have been typical of a newer Ranger or if you've just had bad luck. Perhaps some other newer Ranger owners can chime in with what they've had to fix on their trucks and in how many miles.

Not sure. The Ford dealer I worked at was actually a Lincoln/Mercury and while we did service Ford's too, it wasn't enough to make a call on the newer Rangers. I know the hubs are edible, as are brakes just from my experience as a commercial manager for Autozone back in the early 2000's. We had a fleet of Rangers, S-10's and a few Tacomas in this region and man did they eat bearings. The S-10's were however, the absolute worst vehicles EVER. Autozone stopped using them for delivery vehicles and I am sure everyone else did too.

 

[eric17mx]

Wow jason your ranger must be a lemon or you just drive the shit out of it,50k and all those problems? Never heard of that before.

 

[Jason]

I drive it the same as the Tacoma. The only advantage is most of this is the Ranger lives in the garage. The Tacoma doesn't fit. Judging that the parts were in stock locally every time I doubt it's rare. I still ordered many to get them cheaper and stick with Motorcraft. That may have been a mistake.

 

[eric17mx]

I use motorcraft parts, 55k on a 2005 lvl2, never had one problem yet beside oil changes and filters to buy, previous owner i knew and he never had one problem at all. Id trade it in on another it sounds like a lemon.

 

[Jason]

I think it's poor design maybe. It's not like many different systems having trouble. It's mostly the same things that just don't stand up. Even the replacements and I am anal-retentive about procedures and torque.

 

[eric17mx]

Could be, i remember one time i bought brakes for my old 93 ranger at vatozone, big mistake the pads front and rear didnt even last 3 months, bunch of made in mexico bullshit!!

 

[Ozwynn]

now see ..... i buy allot of duralast gold parts ....... I got 40,000 miles out of the pads on the minivan and they were still 30% when it went by by ....... you prolly bought valuecraft parts...... i would not wish valuecraft parts on nancy Pelosi