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Dealers Want the Ranger Back.


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Some Ford dealers miss small pickup
2 years after Ranger's demise, truck country dealers feel loss
Ford considers the global Ranger sold in 188 markets too beefy to be considered a true compact pickup.

Bradford Wernle

Automotive News -- March 4, 2013 - 12:01 am ET


DETROIT -- Ford's compact Ranger pickup is gone, but for many dealers it's not forgotten.

"I think there's definitely a need," said Martin Gubbels, owner of Big Sky Ford-Lincoln in Torrington, Wyo., who said he has many customers who would love a pickup smaller than the F-150.

Ford discontinued its small pickup in 2011 amid dwindling sales and has stuck to a one-pickup strategy since. "Here in truck country," said Gubbels, "I took as many as I could get my hands on" in 2011, when Ford was winding down Ranger sales.

Gubbels recently took a 2011 Ranger with 6,500 miles in trade and says it's worth as much now as it was when new. "There's a message right there," he says. Ford "gave up a nice little chunk of market share they were once dominant in."

Beau Smith, co-owner of Sill-TerHar Ford in Broomfield, Colo. and chairman of the Ford National Dealer Council, adds, "Dealers are worried about losing sales in that small-truck segment."

But Rich Savino, president of All America Ford in Old Bridge, N.J., isn't convinced. He says the old Ranger had run its course by the time sales stopped. "How feasible is it to bring a new platform and spend all the billions of dollars for some incremental sales? I'd rather see them spend the money on something else."

Scott: Seeking a business case

Doug Scott, Ford truck marketing manager, says Ford understands dealer concerns and is keeping an eye on the segment. "There is a market for what we would consider a true compact, a truck that is significantly smaller and more affordable and has significantly better fuel economy than what you find in the full-size truck category.

"I would argue there aren't any true compacts in the market today," he says. "The challenge is to deliver that product with a good business case." He said Ford continues to evaluate the market.

Ford introduced a global Ranger pickup in 2011, the same year the U.S. Ranger went away. The pickup was developed overseas, is built in Thailand, and is sold in 188 markets -- but not the United States. Ford has no plans to bring it to the United States and has told dealers that for now it will stick with its strategy of selling just the F-150 pickup.

"The global Ranger is 90 percent of the size of an F-150," says a Ford spokesman. "It's a big truck."

In January, 23 percent of customers who traded in a Ranger for a new Ford chose F-150s, he says. Ford maintains that F-150s with a V-6 get better fuel economy than most small pickups. F-150s equipped with V-6 engines, rather than V-8s, accounted for 53 percent of the 2012 sales total, a rate that exceeded Ford's expectations.

A 2013 F-150 XL Super Crew, powered by a 3.7-liter V-6, matches the 19 combined mpg rating of the 4.0-liter V-6 2013 Toyota Tacoma small pickup, according to Edmunds.com. But the 2013 four-cylinder Tacoma gets 19 mpg city and 24 mpg highway.

Ford dealers are interested in the global Ranger's diesel engine lineup, which includes a 3.2-liter five-cylinder and a 2.4-liter four-cylinder.

The 3.2-liter, used in the Transit commercial van to be sold in North America, is on some dealers' wish list for the F-150.

When Ford abandoned compact pickups in 2011, it enjoyed roughly a 25 percent share of a shrinking segment. In 2012, compact pickup sales totaled 264,197 units, down from 1.2 million in 1994, when Ford led the segment with 344,744 Ranger sales.

With the departure of Ford and Dodge in 2011, Toyota and General Motors were left as the last major players offering small pickups. The Tacoma's already dominant share of the segment shot up from 38 percent in 2011 to 54 percent in 2012.

GM stopped building the compact Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon last August, and a redesigned compact pickup is expected next year.

Tom Libby, automotive forecast analyst for Polk, says there's every chance the segment could rebound, leading Ford to jump in again.

"The entire industry is moving down in terms of size. The segments that are losing share have been the segments that have big vehicles: large SUVs and full-size luxury cars, for example," he says. "If that trend continues, and it will because of CAFE, that segment could level off and begin to gain."

The global Ranger: A Tacoma challenger?
Some Ford dealers see the global Ranger with its optional diesel engine, now sold overseas but not in the U.S., as a better challenger to the small-pickup leader, the Toyota Tacoma, than Ford's F-150.

Ford Ranger Toyota Tacoma Ford F-150
Wheelbase 127 in. 127 in. 145 in.
Overall length 211 in. 208 in. 232 in.
Engine 3.2-liter I-5 diesel 4.0-liter V-6 gasoline 3.7-liter V-6 gasoline
Horsepower 197 236 302
Torque (lbs.-ft.) 347 266 278
 
I think Ford may lose out if other companies have small pickups still (dakota, tacoma, frontier, ridgeline, canyon/colorado). Plus, Rangers are awesome!
 
they need to lead the pack, not `jump in`if it takes off. Thats what GM does, its not normal for ford to follow the leader.
 
This is typicaL of Ford, and typical of a bean counter mindset.

Yeah, they can step up and get us all excited about a great product. They have been doing this since the beginning. Then, once they create the market, they sit back until they are no longer dominant.

Finally, they get out and leave it to the rest of the pack.

Look at the history of the Mustang and Ford Performance Parts. A lot of guys hate Ford because of this. That's why there are so many old Ford guys that jumped to Chevy in the 70's.

Like Doug Scott said, there are no small trucks out there right now, even though we could sure use one. All the automakers are still working on the pre-2008 paradigm, and as long as Obama is in the White House, gas is going to be expensive.

The problems is that you can't change manufacturing paradigms over night.

That means that Detroit is right back in the same place it was in the 70' when oil went through the roof, only the Japs are right there with them.

There is also the issue of the F-150. Ford is proud of the fact that it is the best selling vehicle in the world, and a killer small truck is a big challenge to that. They would rather give up the few of us who want a small truck to protect the flagship. I used to be in radio, and they did the same thing to our station. We were constantly changing format to protect the mother-ship from what ever new challenger would come into the market.

It sucks, but it's business.
 
There is also the issue of the F-150. Ford is proud of the fact that it is the best selling vehicle in the world, and a killer small truck is a big challenge to that.

I can solve that problem really easy...

Call it a F-100. Its the F-series line thats the best selling truck, not just the F150. Make it part of that line-up.
 
i recently wrote Ford and made a plea for the return of the Ranger, but not the Global one

I wish I had copied what I wrote, but I basically said that the dwindling sales was due to the truck not getting redesigned for so many years. Swapping grilles didnt cut it.

I also recommended that they fit an optional engine with more HP, like the Duratec 37.

300 HP baby!

I basically said that 7 million Ranger owners cant be wrong.
 
I can solve that problem really easy...

Call it a F-100. Its the F-series line thats the best selling truck, not just the F150. Make it part of that line-up.

Tell it to Ford. I'm just saying what the guys I know at Ford have told me.

Sure, we can see the upside of Ford building killer small trucks, but unless you can convince the bean counters that they can maximize their investment this quarter, then it's not going to happen.

It's a corporate mindset, and as long as money is tight, then no one is going to stick their neck out.

I worked for one of the most progressive companies in America, Angie's List a few years ago. I was recruited to join their new national and multi-market advertising team. We were given a year to get the thing up and running since corporate advertising runs in a 12 month budget cycle.

3 months into the project, they got a new investment of capital, and the new investors wanted their own man in charge as CFO. He came in and spent about a month looking at corporate structure, then he fired our VP of Sales, and even though we were already way ahead of our projections, he decided that our desks were more valuable if they had more local ad sales guys sitting there. There was never any question that the national corporate market was a huge untapped opportunity, but he decided that he could make more in less time with the old paradigm.

Does it make sense? Only if you care about your numbers in the next quarter and ignore the potential.

By the time he had served his purpose, he'd be out of there and let someone else worry about the untapped market.

It's the same at Ford and every other corporation in today's economy.

Apple was different, but Jobs is dead, and so is the innovation.
 
I read somewhere that Ford will not bring the global Ranger to the US because they are afraid that it would compete with the 150 and lose the 150 identity.
 
I read somewhere that Ford will not bring the global Ranger to the US because they are afraid that it would compete with the 150 and lose the 150 identity.

Good. I don't WANT the global Ranger to come to the US. The whole point of the article was to show that there is a market here in the US for a COMPACT pickup. The global Ranger is 9/10s the size of an F150. Why the hell would Ford bring it here? What the article was saying is that Ford should design and build another US Ranger (that is totally different and SMALLER than the global Ranger).

The global Ranger is ugly anyway IMO.
 
How much redesigning would really be necessary? Was the Ranger that far out of date by the time production ended?

I do know that for my part the lack of redesigns is what I like about it. Parts interchangeability (that doesn't look right but oh well) for the win!!!

Edit: Also would it not make more sense to call it an F-50? Then you'd have the a truck at every 100 spot from the bottom up.
Gotta admit though that seeing them make an exact copy of the F-150 but on a significantly smaller scale would be cool.
 
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Good. I don't WANT the global Ranger to come to the US. The whole point of the article was to show that there is a market here in the US for a COMPACT pickup. The global Ranger is 9/10s the size of an F150. Why the hell would Ford bring it here? What the article was saying is that Ford should design and build another US Ranger (that is totally different and SMALLER than the global Ranger).

The global Ranger is ugly anyway IMO.

I agree with you on the size. Keep the current size a compact and offer a diesel engine and Ford would have the market cornered. Toyota or Nissan don't offer a diesel in the U.S. When they say "they're keeping an eye on this segment", what their really saying is what is the new Colorado going to offer and how well will it sell. If Chevrolet puts a diesel in the new Colorado, Ford is not going to let GM steal the show.
 
grilles didnt cut it.

I also recommended that they fit an optional engine with more HP, like the Duratec 37.

300 HP baby!

Have you ever driven something with a 3.7? It's a dog. On a good day, with a manual transmission, going down a hill it is a DOG. A big old slobber-faced St Bernard got humped by a Great Dane, 3 years later the puppy was all grown up, and it is the 3.7.

Even in a Mustang it won't get out of it's own way. My 2.9 is more fun to drive than a 3.7.
 
I'm a 10th of a liter down from you adsm08 and I have to admit my 2.8L is more fun to drive than the new F150 with all the electronic intrusiveness.

I will also admit as well that yes I like my Toyota Tundra its got massive amounts of power, but there's just something about driving an old Ford that just makes my day.
 
Have you ever driven something with a 3.7? It's a dog. On a good day, with a manual transmission, going down a hill it is a DOG. A big old slobber-faced St Bernard got humped by a Great Dane, 3 years later the puppy was all grown up, and it is the 3.7.

Even in a Mustang it won't get out of it's own way. My 2.9 is more fun to drive than a 3.7.

No I have not. I was just comparing specified HP/TQ output for currently available Ford engines that would/could be made to fit in a Ranger, with changes, by Ford.

305hp/280tq for the Duratec 37 Vs 210hp/254tq for the 4.0 SOHC (according to Wikipedia)
 
Have you ever driven something with a 3.7? It's a dog. On a good day, with a manual transmission, going down a hill it is a DOG. A big old slobber-faced St Bernard got humped by a Great Dane, 3 years later the puppy was all grown up, and it is the 3.7.

Even in a Mustang it won't get out of it's own way. My 2.9 is more fun to drive than a 3.7.

You are the only person I have heard say that.

When the '11 V6 Mustangs came out Motor Trend got them at 13.7 sec 1/4 mile... almost as fast as a 13.5 sec '10 GT with a 4.6 V8. That is by no means a dog of an engine. Especially compared to the dog it replaced that barely got better milage than the V8 it was sold beside.

IMO Ford did the right choice, rather than spend booku bucks redsigning a vehicle in a segment that is drastically decreasing in size they cut and run. The few that still make trucks in that segment are not selling anywhere close to the number of trucks they were a few years ago.

I do think it would have been interesting if they had canned the 4.0 for the 3.7 for the last year and see how that would have worked out though...

In 1999 Ford sold 350,000 Rangers. Toyota sold 133,000 tacos and they sold almost 3x as many as their nearest competitor. The market just isn't there anymore.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/02/who-sold-the-most-midsize-pickups-in-2012.html

(the H3T guy is getting the last laugh, 1 of 1 sold in 2012 :D)
 
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