Dealers Want the Ranger Back.

[bobbywalter]

A turbo diesel... For what? The 1% of people buying one that will pay the extra $6000 for an optional diesel or for the 30% of the people that (will never buy one, but) think diesel is cool?

like you said early on....call it a f100 or whatever..


that diesel powertrain is quiet. freakishly so for what it makes in power. its not a 4bt that would drive a deaf guy nuts.


are you saying a 35 mpg 4 door for 30 grand will not sell? were not talking wheezer engines here....that diesel will make a 4.0 look like a sissy towing a nice boat.


the na 3.7 and a 4 whizzer ecoboost would skyrocket sales....in the old outdated 2011 truck...mustangs would take a hit in sales too...


just have to call it a f series with a straight face to get them fawktards at ford to do this....they simply do not want to hurt the f series sales records...


period.

they are cunts.

and i refuse to buy a f series because of it....unfortunately, my next job will likely require me to own a new truck....if that is the case a handshaker dodge will be the choice. only thing i can do till mulally gets his head out of his ass.

 

[adsm08]

You would really take a job where they tell you what to drive? Unless the company was going to pay for it that would be a deal breaker for me.

 

[MastuhWaffles]

I would just like to see the 2004-2011 style continued. Maybe some bigger V6 engines?

 

[bobbywalter]

You would really take a job where they tell you what to drive? Unless the company was going to pay for it that would be a deal breaker for me.

yeah...so would you.


its not what "to drive", its more of a "under a certain age/milage thing"....

went through that with expediting too which is why i went back to drilling oil when the contracting went to shit in detroit.....for guys like us its hard to understand, more-so for you of course, as you deal with new shit that dont work right daily.



this is a sore subject with me, as i was recently injured, and the last 6 years of fawking around that finally had me in a position financially to redo my rig has been for naught as i been living on my savings/tax refund money....soooo close to executing what i want. few weeks in the hospital and no work for 3 months...poof...

its pretty disappointing. largely because of the three options of work i been preparing to go to next as my youngest is old enough for me to be gone longer now. i was planning to re-re-title my rig and to 3rd party certify my fresh engine and powertrain, and if my aesthetics were up to par i would be able to argue my vehicles viability with confidence to say the least.. for two of the jobs, covering 70 k a years is normal. not really much past what i been doing really. but the pay is.


it will be some time before i can step into the next segment of work anyway, but once your a proven known commodity i have worked with guys making 3600 a day. plus its in situ administrative work, no more roughnecking and constant danger. shit tons of responsibility and even more politics and paperwork though.

i have cost people a million dollars in a split second judgement before(way way back when that was allot of money) and was lucky no one under my direction was killed. in the face of that my operator experience is one level....the poor fawker that had to justify not firing me is another...he was never in physical danger like we are and rarely ever get dirty, but is always in a different kind of danger i never wanted.... dealing with the money and runing the logistics... so i dont even know if i could hack a job like that.

starting is 800-1200 a day or so... i guess if that is not enough to keep you in a newer truck, your dealbreaker bottom line is higher then mine.

so yeah, if there are company vehicle offerings i will take whatever...

if i have to buy something, i will get what makes sense from sensible offerings. a dodge with a handshaker or something as old as allowed.



the third job i may take if offered again will put me in at ford...and not on an assembly line either. since my ability to be a gorilla is no longer an option....i need a smart job.

if only i were smart.






not having a 35 mpg 4 door truck when it exists everywhere but here....

how is that smart?

 

[Jfive]

What oil field you been working in bobby. I am in north dakota right now, but just got out of the oil field, and into the railroad.

 

[dragogt]

A turbo diesel... For what? The 1% of people buying one that will pay the extra $6000 for an optional diesel or for the 30% of the people that (will never buy one, but) think diesel is cool?

I guess Dodge is off their rocker also huh?

http://m.autoblog.com/2013/02/14/ram-1500-to-get-v6-turbodiesel-engine-later-this-year/

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[Snoranger]

Dont get me wrong... I like diesels. Hell, I'm swapping a Cummins 4bt into my Explorer. I would buy a small diesel truck in a heartbeat (if ford sold one in the states). But the mass consumer wouldnt. These are the people who buy the new vehicle every few years and keep the company in business. Most of us (enthusiasts that love a certain vehicle, but buy it used) mean next to nothing to the company.

Most of the common uneducated car buyers still remember that 80's diesels belched black smoke (this isnt being helped by the coal rolling A-holes now a-days), stunk like hell, and were just plain dirty. Dont believe me... go ask a family member that isnt into cars what they think of diesel. Chances are they will remember old Mercedes diesels that the entire rear was so black, you couldnt read the license plate.


If they build it, I'll buy it and drive it for 10 years and put 300K on it. But will someone pay the extra $5-6000 for something that they only plan to own for 3-5 years and put 50K miles on? It may not be worth it.

 

[bobbywalter]

What oil field you been working in bobby. I am in north dakota right now, but just got out of the oil field, and into the railroad.

primarily michigan and florida. i broke out in 91cse..92 and got my first drilling job and crew in 95, so i have seen some changes to say the least, trying to stay out of north dakota. but that wont last much longer i fear.

Dont get me wrong... I like diesels. Hell, I'm swapping a Cummins 4bt into my Explorer. I would buy a small diesel truck in a heartbeat (if ford sold one in the states). But the mass consumer wouldnt. These are the people who buy the new vehicle every few years and keep the company in business. Most of us (enthusiasts that love a certain vehicle, but buy it used) mean next to nothing to the company.

Most of the common uneducated car buyers still remember that 80's diesels belched black smoke (this isnt being helped by the coal rolling A-holes now a-days), stunk like hell, and were just plain dirty. Dont believe me... go ask a family member that isnt into cars what they think of diesel. Chances are they will remember old Mercedes diesels that the entire rear was so black, you couldnt read the license plate.


If they build it, I'll buy it and drive it for 10 years and put 300K on it. But will someone pay the extra $5-6000 for something that they only plan to own for 3-5 years and put 50K miles on? It may not be worth it.

this is where your going wrong.....the guys buying the newer trucks that i am suggesting were not alive enough to pay attention for the 80's bullshit.


the average 35 year old that drove one of the s/a rangers for a full tank and then refilled against say their current 150 or ranger would shit can the other truck and happily drive the foreign model ford. the performance of the vehicle would sell it. its not noisy like a typical truck and is smooth and efficient at the pump like no other. now, if they put in a cummins like you have, i agree they would not sell. i totally got off of the fence and decided to run the 6.5 after driving a 1/2 ton cummins gm.


most people wont care about the diesel when they are like the new ones.


i have worked with many kids recent years in pennsylvania with 70-80 thousand dollar trucks...20-24 year old roughnecks that just pound the living fawk out of these new dodges......brings back memories and makes me secure to know some shit never changes....fools and money always part at rapid rates. these guys drive from tex/ok and back on 2 week hitches.

whether or not Jfive fits that catagory i dont know, but if he is driving a ranger i doubt it.

 

[Jfive]

I am 30 years old, have never bought a new truck, and don't plan on it anytime soon. Mainly cause I don't have to put on the miles that some guys do. I don't like how much a vehicle depreciates when you drive it off a lot, so I would buy a diesel ranger maybe two to three years after it was sold. Now if I worked on a oil rig, or had a oil field job like many around here do, where they pay you a per diem to drive your own truck for work. I would buy a new ford diesel pickup. I'd rather buy a diesel ranger as I don't need a full size pickup right now, and would rather get the 30mpg. Even with the sub temp winters, we have alot of what you say 20 to 30 year old rig workers that buy diesel dodges, chevys, and fords and drive them 1 to 2 hours each way for work everyday. They buy new diesels, cause they want the power, and longevity. If it wasn't for the oil field workers in the usa right now, truck sales would be hurting for the last 5 years. I would have bought the mahindra pickup, which in my mind, was the perfect truck, except for exterior looks. Had a friend that was doing the safety testing on them when they came to the us, and attempted to bring a small diesel pickup to the american market. He said they achieved 39 mpg with it during testing, with 32 being the lowest. This had a 2.2l turbo diesel, an automatic transmission, and a hauling capacity of 1.3 tons. EPA (goverment regulators) took so long, and put up so many loop holes, that the company had to halt the production, and ended up getting sued. Sued by us dealerships that where in the hundreds, because they where promised a truck, that american politicians stopped. Why would so many dealerships across america buy rights to sell a truck that no one in america would buy. Let alone a unknown india auto maker.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/08/us-importer-says-mahindra-pickup-has-come-a-long-way.html