Cold air intake, need some advice.

[rangerpimpn84]

and once again a know it all mod. to b completely honest with all these ppl and their lets stay stock and oem parts are best its bs go buy the aftermarket stuff try it out and then talk. i used to b like that something i knew nothing bout put it down well thats so stupid. thats like saying all arabs are terrorists. U can tell in 1 week on the difference in mpg. i can i drive an hour to work one way so like i said a know it all mod.

 

[rangerpimpn84]

also i think ik what im talkn bout my dad was a complete gear head when was younger and had a family. ne time u want to take a bone stock 2.3 and pull up next to me at a light and drop pinks so i can prove my point let me know. my not stock 2.3 eats up stock 2.3s. i did it the other day and i will continue to do it.

 

[a-5 freak]

So your calibrated ass dyno was the source of your 107-108hp measurement?

yep..let me tell ya.. i can tell the difference between 108.32 and 108.33 HP. my ass is the most accurate ass around! NO i cant tell the difference between 108.32 and 108.33 hp but i sure can tell that my car has gained significant HP.

 

[rangerpimpn84]

you tell em a-5 freak some of these guys kill sometimes dude. they always put ***holes in power. Ive noticed a remarkable torque and power diff. in mine. C how nobody will put a pink on the line to prove a point cuz they have no confidence in there equipment lmfao.

 

[skyy_4life]

well i think it could all be on who you are talking to. idk if mileage has anything to do with it but u think a low mileage car with k&n compared to stock would have any different effect to a high mileage car k&n compared to stock. i know my truck has like 50,000 miles on it and i put a complete cold air intake system on it and it wasnt huge but i belevie i felt a difference, weather it be me or not thats wut i think. but u take some other guy and do the same thing and he will not beleive he felt anything. so i tihnk its all in who you talk to. i have never used k&n so i cant talk about their drop in's or systems but its all in who u talk to.

 

[fastpakr]

Your ability to read English must be worse than your ability to write it. Neither I nor anybody else in this thread have said that all aftermarket parts are bad, that it's a mistake to modify your truck, or anything of the sort.

What we ARE telling you is that based on simple tests you can prove that the intake system is not the restrictive point of the engine. Because that is the case, you cannot increase the output of the engine by modifying it in any way. If you want to increase power, there are other places that will actually create results. Camshafts, headers, compression changes, forced air, etc will have direct effects that will be easy to measure on a dyno. Filter changes cannot because they're aren't creating a problem in the first place.

If you'd like to run your truck against someone else on the forum in a controlled environment, go for it. Despite what you've obviously concluded, no one has refused your challenge. Better yet, take your truck to the nearest track when they've got an open night. Do a few runs with each style filter and note your results.

 

[rangerpimpn84]

Whatever its ur slow exploder do what u want. "What we ARE telling you is that based on simple tests you can prove that the intake system is not the restrictive point of the engine."FASTPAKR
But then u guys end up saying that the intake muffler does restrict air flow to a certain degree. Make up ur mind. Its stupid of me to even argue with someone of "youre stature or knowledge. Funny me. U r a moderator so u must best then right. Its pointless to sit here and waste a day off to dispute whether or not k&n intakes and filters increase and fuel mileage. Ignorance is completely bliss. No wonder countries call us ignorant. We cant even realize a simple fact about air filters.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Whatever its ur slow exploder do what u want. "What we ARE telling you is that based on simple tests you can prove that the intake system is not the restrictive point of the engine."FASTPAKR
But then u guys end up saying that the intake muffler does restrict air flow to a certain degree. Make up ur mind. Its stupid of me to even argue with someone of "youre stature or knowledge. Funny me. U r a moderator so u must best then right. Its pointless to sit here and waste a day off to dispute whether or not k&n intakes and filters increase and fuel mileage. Ignorance is completely bliss. No wonder countries call us ignorant. We cant even realize a simple fact about air filters.

The simple fact about air filters is that they are able to flow a total amount of air. The K&N unit will definatly outflow the factory filter (this is their proof to sell). But this doesn't mean it will produce more power. Why? Well, the engine only draws so much air. The 2.3L we speak of will pull about 152 cfm at 5000rpm. (140ci / 2 X 5000rpm X 75%ve / 1728) The factory filter has a max flow that exceeds the 152cfm the engine requires. How do I know, well the factory set up is adequate for the 4.0L which requires roughly 248cfm with a lesser 70% ve. Lets give the K&N filter the advantage (yes, sarcasm) of a max flow of 1,000,0000 cfm.

Now for everything to make sense! The 2.3L draws about 152cfm as mentioned earlier. So, it takes 152cfm for the little guy to produce 100hp. The factory filter flows (this is a guess based on the 4.0L figure) 248cfm. The factory filter allows the engine to make its total 100hp while drawing 152cfm while having the ability to flow an additional 96cfm. The K&N unit will allow the engine to make 100hp while drawing 152cfm. The K&N will have the ability to flow an additional 999,848cfm. But wait, the engine can only inhale 152cfm! So what does this mean!? Well, the engine has made no more and no less power than before. If you did something to increase the amount of air the 2.3L requires (TURBO!!!) then yes, a high flow filter would benefit. But for a stock engine, it puts you in the "I wasted my money" group where you can mingle with all the turbonator guys.

 

[RangerFabWorks]

an engine is no more than a fancy air pump, the more air you can make it suck in, and the more exhaust you can blow out. the more power you make. there is testing that proves k&n filters filter more air due to a larger media in the filter. i think they filter down to like 2 microns or something. yes you wont get a miracle in a box, and a filter wont give you significant boost, but the fact of the matter is, it will give you a little better throttle response, a little better gas mileage, and a little more hp. but its not drastic. i know some of you will say that your factory intake is already a "cold air intake" and i to some extent agree, it is getting cold air as apposed to having a filter in the engine compartment. but from personal experiance, and also coming from the turbo world, if you can make your own intake piping, route it so it gets fresh air, put a cone style filter on it, and make it so it has a smoother path than the factory, then you will notice a decent improvment. now, i know some/a lot will flame me for this by saying that the factory system is the same size for the 2.9, 3.0, 4.0, ect. this means nothing to me, just because they use the same size on all these cars doesnt mean they dont have restrictions, and yes an intake is not the most restrictive part of your car, i will agree 100%, the most improvement is opening up your exhaust, bigger throttle body, head work, yada yada. but thats my $0.02

 

[ILLEGALCONCEPTS]

rangerpimpn84,

Its not about being a mod. Also have some respect for what people are saying. Name calling/flaming is not tolorated here. Opinions are like butt holes, we all got one and they all stink.

I have 2 Rangers and one has the K&N and the other doesn't. I've cleaned my K&N and put the paper filter in while cleaning/drying/oiling the K&N. I have no difference, I have a P&P head and intake on my 96. I won't spend the money for the K&N again, I've seen too many reports on people having "issues" with them. Ford HD's have had turbo/engine issues with K&N. The only reason it is still in my 96 is I am lazy. I will be getting a reusable filter but an oil free one once my motor is done. I'll probably throw the K&N in my 95 only because I have it already. I won't put K&N in my wifes Subaru Outback XT either. It's not worth it IMO. I clean my MAF tearly with electrical contact cleaner. The biggest inprovement to the stock intake is removing the air muffler, I was actually surprised when I took the one out of my 95.

The following is my opinion, take it for what you want.

James

 

[Ric]

rangerpimpn84,
If you belive your theory is right, then go and invest in a decent vacuum gauge and mount it in your intake. Then, go find a long steady grade. Use the same gear and drive the same MPH using both filters a few times... be sure to do it the same day and with in the same hour if you can. Dont try and figure out what will "give you better pulling or better throttle response", but monitor the gauge. Remember the only variable in the test is the filter. To really make it matter to you is have somebody switch the filters randomly for you so you arent biased. What you'll see is that the guage will give you the same result.
I'm not being a smart ass, but am trying to help you see what youre not. What folk are trying to explain to you is that the engine can only suck so much air volume and that the OEM filter is rated to flow nearly 2x what the 2.3 will take.

Us explaining this to you isnt working and all it's doing is making you think we're being know it alls. This is something you'll clearly need to find out for yourself. I hope you take the time to do this.

 

[skyy_4life]

well said. i am not a know it all. i am actually the first person to deffend someone who is being bitched at by know it alls but the stock paper filter is designed for the 2.3/3.0/4.0 so the 2.3l is not going to be restricted by this filter. the 4.0l might be but i doubt that also. dude if u want take it to the track and bring back results. would be a awsome test to see.

 

[rangerpimpn84]

well i live in the sticks and i pull hills all the time. I had the stock intake with stock filter, now i have the new intake with the k&n and for the record i did notice a difference under a load on hills and flats. im not tryn to be an inconsiderate lil prick but ive had both and i know the difference is there. Also this is getting completely aggravating every post i make bout things that have made performance improvments certain members feel the need to say aah no thats not right or that doesnt do nething or thats breaking the law. Well i have 1 last thing to say, from my discussion with many state police and law inforcement agencies is that nething besides stock is illegal. clear marker lights r illegal straight pipes, led plate lights all of it. As for this thread its pointless to keep it going cuz we'll never agree so thats that.

 

[rangerpimpn84]

sky4life im not callln u a know it all, for the record. That was meant for the other ppl.

 

[Bob Ayers]

i know some/a lot will flame me for this by saying that the factory system is the same size for the 2.9, 3.0, 4.0, ect. this means nothing to me, just because they use the same size on all these cars doesnt mean they dont have restrictions,

Ok, I'll explain it to you. The larger an engine's displacement (2.3L, 3.0L, 4.0L) the larger the volume of air will be pulled by the engine. Due to Cafe standards, vehicle manufacturers design their engines to be as efficient as possible. Based on this, the airfilter on the 4.0L is designed NOT to be restrictive, and is designed large enough not to be restrictive even after dirt starts to accumulate. Since the 2.3L pulls way less air volume than the 4.0L,
the OEM paper filter is going to be way over designed for the 2.3L.