Dually rear end swap question

[2011Supercab]

Probably my biggest concern with that rear end you have though, is parts availability, Mainly brakes and bearings

 

[bobbywalter]

It's not dependent on gear ratio, It's mounted on the carrier so it's measuring axle shaft revolutions, it could care less how fast the pinion gear is spinning.

If you put the tone ring on the pinion flange between the pinion and driveshaft, then you need to account for gear ratio.

32 teeth on the drive shaft vs the 108 ring gear with a 355 gear is really close. you dial it in from there. but if you have a tone ring diff your golden.

regardless its doable.

the bigger issue is turning a floater regular wheel 60 into a dually.....all of the nays apply but dont matter as max load is not the thing. 60 is not a normal easy to find dually application. 14 bolts and 10.5 and dana 70-80 and the aam cover that. there are alot of differences. actual dually axles are a better choice but cost more and weigh more.

but in this case, a set of coined wheels with a lug centric e350 axle from say a 2002????i dont recall where hub centric started...i know alot of the disk units were still lug centric.

but 90s to somewhere in the 2ks e350 full float i suspect will work similar to the toyota axle in hand. just fit up a dual to it and make sure there are no hardware issues with the brakes.

you will want a small spacer with proper hub sleeve if you want to go hub centric. ran into that problem with fullsize trucks...in many applications duallys have narrower frames which cab and chassis designations are descriptive of.

 

[bobbywalter]

my current 35's with the dana 60 are tracking a hair narrower than the 31 spline 8.8 with boggers.


years ago... i tried to put a friends 37 in dually wheels on and they framed out so i would have needed a 1 inch spacer to use them. was going to run them at dog party... they were not mounted on standard wheels though and they were aluminum.

not sure when i will be home again but will pop a standard dually on there and get you some specs if you have not got that far before then.

 

[Curious Hound]

Unfortunately my 2002 ranger has the vss in the rear differential and it has something to do with the transmission. That's the only reason I need the speed sensor.

I keep forgetting about those pesky automatic transmissions.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I keep forgetting about those pesky automatic transmissions.

All this talk about messing around with axles... it might be easier to just run the yota axle with a 5 speed swap lol.

 

[Blmpkn]

5 speed swap would be the way... With a foot long shifter extension to get the knob up above the dash then you'll be truckin

 

[don4331]

All this talk about messing around with axles... it might be easier to just run the yota axle with a 5 speed swap lol.

Doesn't the '03 get into the digital speedometer? So, the transmission swap needs GEM, PATS and instrument swap for even a manual to work correct.

Someone up in Edmonton grafted a RoadRanger shifter onto his Ranger when he did his dually.

Note: It doesn't matter which end of the driveshaft you add the external sensor to...adding it to the transmission end works just as good as the differential (you'd just need to re-route the wires, but as they go from the cab to the rear axle, they are more than long enough.)

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Doesn't the '03 get into the digital speedometer? So, the transmission swap needs GEM, PATS and instrument swap for even a manual to work correct.

Emphasis on the "might"

FWIW I think the OP's is a '02

 

[don4331]

Probably my biggest concern with that rear end you have though, is parts availability, Mainly brakes and bearings

Bearing aren't an issue - the Toyota 1 ton axle uses normal Timken tapered roller bearings. And it is possible to reline both the shoes and the drums....not cheap, but possible. (I did a little homework before the cost/availability of rims slowed me down).

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Bearing aren't an issue - the Toyota 1 ton axle uses normal Timken tapered roller bearings. And it is possible to reline both the shoes and the drums....not cheap, but possible. (I did a little homework before the cost/availability of rims slowed me down).

Relining the shoes isn't too bad, never heard of relining drums other than turning them.

Used to reline tractor brake shoes all the time, actually had a rivet tool for horse harness that worked great.

 

[Curious Hound]

Doesn't the '03 get into the digital speedometer? So, the transmission swap needs GEM, PATS and instrument swap for even a manual to work correct.

Someone up in Edmonton grafted a RoadRanger shifter onto his Ranger when he did his dually.

Note: It doesn't matter which end of the driveshaft you add the external sensor to...adding it to the transmission end works just as good as the differential (you'd just need to re-route the wires, but as they go from the cab to the rear axle, they are more than long enough.)

Well dang. Those pesky new-fangled modern trucks are a real pain. I'll keep my old stuff.

 

[wellcraft]

A few more thoughts:

Pull-a-part doesn’t have a big selection of Dually trucks, some pick ups, but nothing commercial I’m still thinking the Toyota or maybe an Isuzu axle with the wheels might be the most practical, not that there’s anything practical about the project, huh?

And I know your 2002 is a little bit bigger than my 97 and my 87, but I’m still thinking those wheels are going to be way too heavy duty and huge for what you’re trying to do. The Dually wheels on my C 20s were heavyweight and a challenge even on those trucks. The pre-electronic Toyota steel Dually wheels I used years ago probably weighed half as much as an F350 wheel. And the bullet hole design is pretty universal. If it wasn’t an exact match, with the right center caps, folks might not notice or it might be close enough.

I’ve never been to the pull apart in Augusta, but I’ve been to the three in Atlanta on a pretty regular basis for the last few years. The pull apart in south Atlanta has many more trucks than the other two here. I assume you’re aware that you can search inventory online.

That south pull apart is down by Moreland Avenue and 285 if you are familiar with Atlanta. There are also a couple of big rig truck yards in that area, and a couple other yards around town that deal with more commercial stuff. It’s a 2 1/2 hour drive, but if you get the right stuff, it’ll probably save you days on your build.

And I want to be careful what I volunteer these days because I’m a sick beat up old fart, but if you’re coming to Atlanta to do something or other, I’d be happy to help.

The current wheels on that rear end i jave are 14", i would like to go with 16". Between 3 people we couldn't barely lift the whole thing, its pretty heavy.


I attached a picture of whats available right now in augusta but now i believe i understand the dana 60 have to be from a cab and chassis and not a regular van, it that is the case, i now it will be a pain to find one, most likely.


My bro in law lives in Marietta and every time we go there i go to all 3 atlanta pull a part, dont know why i enjoy doing that, lol.


Thanks alot for the offering. I'm going to check the atl pull a part inventory to see what they have. If for some reason you see something available in the area, please let me know.

 

[wellcraft]

Mount the tone ring here/ or at other end of driveshaft between the flanges if possible
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Im thinking about going the dana 60 route per recommendation from this group. I don't want to use the stock wheels and finding a nice set of wheels in the 16" range is hard. I've read that wheels from the transit, sprinter vans have the same bolt pattern. If I want to change the bolt pattern it will cost me an additional $1k. I got a quote from 2 places the other day so at the end it's going to get way to expensive after everything I will have to do to be able to use the toyota axle.

 

[wellcraft]

Doesn't the '03 get into the digital speedometer? So, the transmission swap needs GEM, PATS and instrument swap for even a manual to work correct.

Someone up in Edmonton grafted a RoadRanger shifter onto his Ranger when he did his dually.

Note: It doesn't matter which end of the driveshaft you add the external sensor to...adding it to the transmission end works just as good as the differential (you'd just need to re-route the wires, but as they go from the cab to the rear axle, they are more than long enough.)

Mine is an 02 with analog gauges.

 

[wellcraft]

That

All this talk about messing around with axles... it might be easier to just run the yota axle with a 5 speed swap lol.

That would be super nice.