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Around 10 yards isn't terrible range for the bear spray.. that's just an awful lot of trust lol. Waiting until the bear is within range while it's charging you must not be fun.
 


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Bears are pretty near sighted afaik. Was out hunting with a buddy many decades ago and we saw a bear ambling towards us. It got up to about ten yards then probably noticed our smell. It took off in the opposite direction. This was on the Queen Charlotte Islands, not far from Alaska. There were no humans living anywhere close by as we accessed that part of the island by fishing boat.
We were ready to shoot it but no need. At the time I didn't know anything about bear protocol.
 

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I nearly bumped into a couple of black bears while my brother and I were hunting in NE Pennsylvania. Neither the bear or myself were paying attention, and I got maybe 15/20' of one. My brother called out to me and when I swung around it was right there. I just stood there staring at it with my 30-06 and when it eventually noticed me it turned around and high tailed it the opposite direction.
 

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Mythbusters had a knife against pistol at 20 yards...
Iirc,
Pistol didn't win
Actually it was 20 feet, not yards where the knife got there 1st. I still think I would be able to get at least 3 shots off at that distance but not saying it would stop a charging bear. Guns make noise that deters most animals unless it's on top of you in which case prayers and screams are your only weapons. I've heard bear spray works well on human threats also. I have only needed to brandish a gun once and that was on two tweakers in New Mexico at a very remote campsite with my family.
 

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.357 S&W M27 8.5" barrel w/ jacketed hollow points
Can still shoot .38's and wadcutters
If cross compatability of ammo is important, I'd have to agree that a .357 would probably be the best option. Personally I'd probably go for a barrel in the 4-6" range. IMO the 8+ plus barrel is just too long, but opinions are like...

If we're sticking with S&W.357 offerings, and I'm buying myself something with your money, I'd split the difference and go for a Performance Center 627 with a 5 inch barrel. If I'm spending my own money it would probably be a medium frame, either K-frame M66 or L-frame M686. Both have same shot capacity as the M27, a little less weight, and lower price. Not entirely true. If I were sticking with S&W, since I already own .44 mag, it would be an L-frame M69. We gave my dad one for christmas a few years ago and it's a nice piece.

If I were to move away from S&W (and I most definitely would), it would probably be a Taurus with a 4" barrel and no porting. If it weren't for the expansion chamber and porting I'd go Tracker without a question. Those features are the biggest complaint I have about my 6.5" Taurus Tracker in .44 Magnum. Especially with the expansion chamber I don't trust shooting shot cartridges out of it. I've considered trying to machine the wall out essentially making it a deeply recessed crown, but never got serious enough to carry through with it.

Coyotes won't bother people much. They might carry off a toddler wandering alone by itself but really they are the least of my worries. Usually the only time I've seen them is after they've seen me and are running away.
Depends on the situation. I've never seen it happen, but I know that I'd been dropping deer remains on the established gut pile at the hunting club and had them very excited in close proximity. I couldn't see them due to being dark and undergrowth, but there was a whole pack of them not 10 yards away, probably a good bit closer. Maybe they wouldn't come out and bother me while I was in the area, but it's not a chance I'm willing to take unarmed.

They aren't the only critters on the property that would be very interested in those remains.

I do carry speedloaders and i can actually reload my revolver with one in just slightly longer then it takea my buddy to jam a new clip in his 9.
Ok, but that's ignoring capacity difference. You've got 5 shots in your revolver vs 10+ in his 9. I'm guessing at numbers, but you get the idea. You've got to reload twice for every one of his. Your revolver reload already takes slightly longer to reload, then add second complete relaod process int he same number of rounds.

Lets call it delay stacking, I'm sure that there is a proper term, but I don't care to figure it out right now. These numbers are pulled completely out my back side, but lets say that each handgun takes 1 second to fire 1 round. The pistol takes 4 seconds to reload and the revolver takes 5, but we'll call it 5 and 5 to make things easy. I doubt it takes that long for either, but the effect would be the same over time.

For every 5 shots you take, he takes 10. By the time you have 5 shots down range and reload, he's got 10 down and starting to reload.

RevolverPistol
510
1520
3040
6080
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(I have no idea how to work tables in this software)

You'd likely never reach these round counts in the situations we're talking about, but it demonstrates that there's more to things than just reload speed even if we ignore the messy squishy (aka human) aspect. Run what you like, they both have their strengths andweaknesses, just pointing out the flaw in the argument about reload speeds.

That actually attracts the meth heads.
All the more reason to carry.
 

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Currently i carry a snub .38, but now that bears have been spotted literally where we camp/ride i think i wanna get something more.

Obviously my 12ga is ideal but not exactly easy or legal to pack on the quad.

Im leaning .357 so i can use my stash of .38 for plinking, but ive also been thinking of a .44mag.

Whats your guys opinions? No i dont want a semiauto, just not my tastes.

Yes also have bearspray, shooting it would be a total last resort, and these are blackbears, im not super worried but i really dont wanna wake up to one chewing my leg off.

So basically....woods/trail gun....357 or 44mag?

Or should i just get a longer barrel .38 and call it good?
Keep your .38 snub (that's what I carry--a Charter Arms Undercover--chrome with wood service grips) and get an air horn. Nothing short of that 12 gauge will reliably kill a bear. The air horn will scare it off every time. Shooting it and not killing it means you are engaging it. Blasting it with the boat horn disengages it.
 

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I have a 12 gauge pump in my truck as well. But the air horn is enough for a bear. It's just a 200# racoon. It's looking for the easy score and runs from the horn.
 

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Keep your .38 snub (that's what I carry--a Charter Arms Undercover--chrome with wood service grips) and get an air horn. Nothing short of that 12 gauge will reliably kill a bear. The air horn will scare it off every time. Shooting it and not killing it means you are engaging it. Blasting it with the boat horn disengages it.
I only honk when horny.
 

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If you see a 200# black bear, that’s not the one you need to worry about. You need to worry about its 6/800# mother……
 

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Theres something about the thought of a 600lb mommy that makes me wanna honk :drool:
 

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IF, big if, i went semi auto...what do yall think about a .40s&w?
I’ve never really been a .40 cal fan. I’ve shot a number of different ones over the years and found they like to really flick the muzzle which can be a little hard on the wrists. They were kinda built to try and be a “compromise” between the higher velocity of 9mm and the stopping power of a .45acp, and in my opinion are a poor compromise. I’ve found that a good .45acp is more easily controlled and a pretty effective round, especially when used with modern self-defense ammo like the Hornady Critical Defense. Heck, even the commonly found ammo for it isn’t something I’d want to be hit with, 230 grain bullet nearly 1/2” in diameter…
 

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Well guys....i went and picked up this....

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Its a S&W .357mag. Havent shot it yet...but im having a great time looking at it.

Model 65-3, 1982 build date from everything i can find.

Oh and @Will ....i will carry spray...the air horns not a bad idea either....like i said shooting it would be an absolute last ditch effort. Cause if its going to kill me...that sumbitch is going to atleast earn it.
 

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Nice score. Looking forward to hearing how it shoots.

I just like the looks of a steel and wood gun.

Congratulations!
 

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