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Why doesn't Ford bring diesel Rangers to the US?

Would you buy a Ford Ranger with a diesel engine? (If Yes, pick more than one)

  • No

    Votes: 4 7.1%
  • Yes

    Votes: 52 92.9%
  • + only a four cylinder to get better fuel mileage

    Votes: 12 21.4%
  • + only a six or larger to get better power

    Votes: 24 42.9%
  • + only if the price isn't more than 10% higher than the gas models

    Votes: 17 30.4%
  • + only if the price isn't more than 25% higher than the gas models

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • + only a 4WD model

    Votes: 34 60.7%
  • + only a quad-cab

    Votes: 15 26.8%

  • Total voters
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"if we let everyone use diesel the prices will go up" .... everyone uses gas but diesel is more expensive... it costs less to refine than gas and diesel is availible to the public right now. i'd say of 1 out of 15 personal vehicles I see now is a diesel... that dosen't make much sense.
I don't even see that many diesels but the new ULSD is not cheaper to refine than gas. They are about the same but the yield is less.
 


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if ford started selling 3.0l diesels in this country why would anyone want an f-150?? since the f150 has been ford's best seller for 30 years, why on earth would they want to cut into that pie?? no one in europe wants a full size truck, thats why the diesels are over there, and not here...
 

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if ford started selling 3.0l diesels in this country why would anyone want an f-150?? since the f150 has been ford's best seller for 30 years, why on earth would they want to cut into that pie?? no one in europe wants a full size truck, thats why the diesels are over there, and not here...
Bed size, interior room, overall towing, axles...

The Ranger and F-150 exist on different planes. It's like saying Ford couldn't have sold the Cosworth Escorts here because no one would buy the Mustang. The serve different demographics.
 

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Bed size, interior room, overall towing, axles...

The Ranger and F-150 exist on different planes. It's like saying Ford couldn't have sold the Cosworth Escorts here because no one would buy the Mustang. The serve different demographics.

right now they do, because the diesel isnt offered in this country, if it was than the f-150 would suffer because 95% of people that buy a half ton truck could make do with a ranger or an s10, if a diesel version was offered, well the half ton looks pretty silly then, the only fullsize trucks that are actually worth owning are the 3/4 and one ton trucks, they are physically the same size as a halfton but they can work harder..a diesel ranger would bridge the gap between small trucks and halftons..
 

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We put just shy of 2000lbs of cement bags in our diesel ranger a couple months ago. I installed ford F150 springs on the rear a few years ago so handled it pretty well with only a slight squat (Have pictures but not sure how to upload them on this forum). Great little truck that rides nice, peppy, gets good MPGs and will do rings around any F150/f250.

The reality is by making it so hard to pass emissions on compact diesel pickups the EPA has helped push bigger and heavier trucks to the forefront out of necessity. Only a couple years ago did emissions finally become equal across all GVW ratings when it comes to diesels.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but back in the late 80s, crackdowns came in on many of the light passenger car sized diesels. Ford had a lineup of optional diesels in almost every car and truck they offered. Tempos, escorts, LTDs, T-bird/cougar (<- that one had a nice BMW L6 TD!), in addition to the ranger 2.2 and later 2.3 turbo. After the rule changes, only the 8600GVW or higher diesels like the 6.9 and 7.3 diesels were still standing. I think the change over year was 1987 but not positive.

If a smaller truck costs more to get emissions passed then a larger truck, why build the samller one? It would end up costing very close to the bigger, heavier truck and might not get much better MPGs so there would be no point.
 

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I want to convert my 90 ranger to a 4x4 turbo diesel any Ideas???
 

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I want to convert my 90 ranger to a 4x4 turbo diesel any Ideas???
Keep an eye out for a complete donor truck. Just make sure it runs before buying it because parts can get pricey in a hurry if you are dealing with a 2.3TD and you are not careful.

If you end up finding a 2wd diesel, you can get another transmission out of a 4x4 from 1986 or older. This will allow you to take the bell housing and slave cylinder off the 2wd diesel trans and install on the front of the 1986 or older 4wd transmission. Using the complete 1986 version hydraulic clutch setup should result in a bolt on deal unless changes were made in the pedal or other linkage that I am not aware of.

If you are able, you can also convert the 2wd diesel transmission to 4wd since that will allow you to keep the original geartrain. I've been told the diesel 5 speeds have a close ratio gearset but am not able to confirm this.

The alternative to replacing the your current 4x4 transmission with an older one is to modify the front case housing of the 1990 to accept the older style slave cylinder (the newer slave cylinder will not fit the diesel bell housing). This is actually what I did, and it saved me from having to replace any of the drive shafts. The alternative to replacing the 1990 version master cylinder is to cut off the quick connect from the bottom end of the plastic hydraulic clutch line and use some heat to slip it onto the fitting of the older version slave cylinder. Again, thats what I did. Bit of hack & mod involved if you decide to do things like me, but I've never had any problems after several years.

Engine mounts can also come off the donor and bolt into your truck. The passenger side mount has an extra steel bracket that bolts onto the frame because the engine mount bracket offset to the rear of the engine on that side and misses the location of the mounting point on the cross member.

Do not reuse any of the EFI fuel pumps (remove the pump in the tank too). You will need to swap to a carby style pump mounted in the frame rail that doesn't push nearly as much pressure otherwise it will inflate the diesel filter. Since you will likely be reusing the rest of the fuel system (unless by some miracle the donor truck has a tank that isn't rusted), be aware that you could have clogged filters for a little while as the diesel tears crap loose from in there (although modern diesel isn't as bad as the older high sulfur variety from what I'm told). I reused most of the gasoline fuel system other than the fuel pump for reasons stated. Keep spare fuel filters with you just in case and things will clear out on their own eventually.

The glow plug system is a little complicated and even has a solid state controller mounted inside the cabin (roughly the size of a small PCM) but its well worth keeping and swapping all of it over to your truck. One of my regrets is not doing this and going with kubota dual coil plugs instead. They don't get as hot as the ceramic mitsubishi plugs and take forever to warm (over 40 seconds in cold weather).

The fuel filter and water separator setup for these rangers is identical to the chevy 6.2s of the mid 80s so if you search for wiring diagrams of those trucks you will be able to wire up the fuel heater and "water in fuel" light. In our case one of the indicator lights in the dash that was left blank actually had a water in fuel warning decal already there (in a gasser!) so it was easy to set it up looking nice and clean like it was original.

Oh and swap over the filler neck too. Diesel filler nozzles are larger than for gasoline.

Sorry for the hijack, guys.:threadjacked:
 

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if ford started selling 3.0l diesels in this country why would anyone want an f-150?? since the f150 has been ford's best seller for 30 years, why on earth would they want to cut into that pie?? no one in europe wants a full size truck, thats why the diesels are over there, and not here...
no it wont look at the canyon/colo from GM 327 alum V8 is offered and that doesn't cut into C/K1500 sales even the ones with the 4.8L baby V8 sell just fine so why would a ford diesel be any different?
 

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no it wont look at the canyon/colo from GM 327 alum V8 is offered and that doesn't cut into C/K1500 sales even the ones with the 4.8L baby V8 sell just fine so why would a ford diesel be any different?
Just look at the rest of the world... See lots of F150's? Nope, because the ROW Ranger does 99% of what the F150 would... What's the point then? Pretty sure the LH8 Colorado isn't really billed as a 'working' truck anyway... I know I sure wouldn't buy it for that... You really can't compare it to a Silverado...
 

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Didnt read the whoe forum so I apologize if its been addressed.

Ranger diesels would compete heavily with a lot of their existing models. If the mpg were a significant increase it would even compete with their economy cars.

Why are there more votes in the + category than the yes category?
And if I could afford one I'd buy one
 

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