Dear Ford, Why!?!

[Jim Oaks]

Agreed Jim. It stings a little knowing Ford is playing catch-up in a segment it was so dominant in.
EDIT: at least in the U.S. market

Exactly.

 

[Dirtman]

Our 2017 shop f450 quad cab dually has 198,000 miles towing a fifth wheel. Ive changed the oil, and screwed with the def system. Ford can play catch up with you're fancy features but im still gonna use them for what they are made for. Trucks doing truck shit. And neither gm or fiat can compete in that respect. Want wifi and a bunch of comforts, by all means buy gm. Want a truck that can work every day good luck with anything but a ford.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

My buddy owns a small oilfield company. He has gone from Ford to Dodge. He figures there is less problems with Dodge. I will ask what exactly the problems were.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

My buddy owns a small oilfield company. He has gone from Ford to Dodge. He figures there is less problems with Dodge. I will ask what exactly the problems were.

Been around the block with the big three for oilfield use for years with company trucks.

Ford: three F350s, all single axle. A 2012 diesel, 2016 (I think) gas, and a 2015 diesel.

2015 diesel was a dog. Turbo went at 65k miles. OK otherwise.
2016 gas: Awesome truck. Just don't use anything less than 91 gas.
2012... Yeah... F*ck that truck. Burned to the ground over a DEF issue that the dealer "couldn't fix" (I don't work on diesel, won't pick up a wrench to save it)

Dodge: 2017 diesel 3500 single axle. Best one ton I ever had. Second best truck I ever had. Zero issues, and torque for days. That thing would hustle for its size. Seats were God awful.

2013 Chevy 2500 HD Z71. Where do I even begin. Brakes failed at 30k and left me in a ditch. Stabilitrack failed at 77k and threw me off an ice covered cliff. Transfer case went. Transmission went. Brakes went again (5th set) at 98k and jackknifed me with a trailer on. Couldn't keep wheel bearings in it. I was the only driver, and I babied it. Bed rotted off in 2017. I hated it. It hated me. Seats were great, though.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

IMO Chevy has always been good at taking another company's idea, and making it better. Have you seen the tailgate on the New Sierra? They laughed at ford 250's Man-step a few years ago, then BAM, the same idea, but better execution. Oh, ya'll want I4 w/turbo's? Chevy has a 2.7 liter I4 turbo, the biggest in the market.

Dad keeps his '92 GMC 1500 around for a work truck. Very handy little guy to have around, especially with the lift gate. Neat thing about it? The bed isn't shoulder height or more so you don't even need a step to get anything out of the truck or get in the truck.

He has had it since '94, the only time he has had it stuck is when the 4wd quit working (rube goldberg heated oil thingie)

 

[91stranger]

Ford trucks and most other trucks for that matter aren't what they used to be BUT when the competition is doing stuff that people are buying then Ford should be doing the same to keep up. Kind of like when keyless entry and remote start came out. Yes it's a fancy luxury but its a selling point for people. And if ford doesn't feel they need keyless entry or remote start because they can haul 1000 pounds more than chevy then they will clearly lose that battle which they obviously saw. It's not about fancy gadgets but more about being competitive. What does ford have to offer better than chevy that chevy doesn't make up for with something people could use?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

What does ford have to offer better than chevy that chevy doesn't make up for with something people could use?

Quality, styling, towing/payload, 5-10 year lead on GM for product advancement...

People go nuts over the ZR2/ZR2 Bison but honestly for that kind of serious offroading I would rather have something older that I wouldn't be as worried about messing up that has u-pull-it parts availability. 0 interest in a new one. Same goes for the expensive diesel, slight MGP increase but costs more up front and you have to mess around with DEF and all the joys of keeping a modern rube goldberg diesel running. Bounce a third gen off a tree? Go get a $40 fender that already matches at the JY and keep going. Want a diesel? Go chase down a bread van and steal his Cummins. No DEF, the world is your lego box for whatever powertrain you want... so much more win for an older trail rig.

Day to day, gimme a steel bumper for knocking down cornstalks, a rear locker and AT tires... aka a new FX4.

 

[fastpakr]

Try shifting into 2nd or 4th

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Ford redesigned that cupholder insert after a year or so. I can't remember the details, but if you can find a similar console online from later years you'll see a better version of the insert. You might be able to grab just that piece from a junkyard or online for a couple of bucks.

 

[Ranger850]

2013 Chevy 2500 HD Z71. Where do I even begin. Brakes failed at 30k and left me in a ditch. Stabilitrack failed at 77k and threw me off an ice covered cliff. Transfer case went. Transmission went. Brakes went again (5th set) at 98k and jackknifed me with a trailer on. Couldn't keep wheel bearings in it. I was the only driver, and I babied it. Bed rotted off in 2017. I hated it. It hated me. Seats were great, though.

All you had to say was " We had a Chevy.", we would have known everything that is red.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ford redesigned that cupholder insert after a year or so. I can't remember the details, but if you can find a similar console online from later years you'll see a better version of the insert. You might be able to grab just that piece from a junkyard or online for a couple of bucks.

They made a bunch of inserts for that console, it was available for most of the Ranger's production run.

I had the mid 90's version like petroleumjunky and I couldn't get my automatic to manual shift to second. I found an older single cup version that had a cool little roll up garage door cover over the coin storage that didn't take up any more room than the console did without a cupholder. It kind of fit the style of my truck better too, I think it was from an earlier second gen.

I think later ones had dual cuholders but they were inline fore/aft rather than side to side.

 

[snoranger]

Try shifting into 2nd or 4th

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You could try replacing that colonic cannon with a reasonable sized drink.

 

[Mike Tonon]

My 07 has 2, right next to the shifter. They’re not bad, some of my coffee mugs even fit in those. But if it’s a tall cup, it touches the dash. But I don’t care. My 87 had no cup holders. We placed our drinks creatively, like real men! ?

 

[fastpakr]

I think later ones had dual cuholders but they were inline fore/aft rather than side to side.

Front/rear sounds right - I think that's what AllanD got for me when I mentioned the problem years ago on my '94 Explorer.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

You could try replacing that colonic cannon with a reasonable sized drink.

Not sure on his truck but in my standard cab first gen that console sat quite a bit farther ahead and higher than it did in the Explorer I pulled it out of. The floor is shaped a lot different between my std cab and an Explorer. Not sure how much a supercab differs.

My shifter was actually hitting the console when I tried to get it in 2nd or first. In drive it comfortably braced a drink which was kind of nice because there was little chance it would fall out.

 

[fastpakr]

On the flip side, all of these problems are an improvement over the cup location suggestion circles from the early Bronco II consoles. I flipped multiple drinks on those before ripping the thing out and finding a suitable replacement at Walmart.