'93 Ranger thread...

[bearsrngr]

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Grade 8 FTW!!!

If you need more clearance from the fire wall on the L/H side use locktight and cut the head off flush. That is if don't plan on useing the thermacter port again.

 

[baddad457]

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Grade 8 FTW!!!

Little case of overkill there, don'tcha think ? Motor will explode, but those bolts will be reuseable And yea, the EGR gas comes from a port in the middle of the intake on most 5.0's. The 351W truck motors EGR gas tapped into the passenger side exhaust manifold.

 

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If you need more clearance from the fire wall on the L/H side use locktight and cut the head off flush. That is if don't plan on useing the thermacter port again.

Thanks for the tip... it got me to thinking... I could have got a piece of 5/8-11 all-thread and cut a piece about an inch long and used a cut off wheel to make a slot on the end for a screwdriver, then screw it in using some loctite to seal it and hold it in there. It would be similar to the threaded inserts on the other end of the head, but solid instead. Hmmm, maybe next time.

Little case of overkill there, don'tcha think ? Motor will explode, but those bolts will be reuseable And yea, the EGR gas comes from a port in the middle of the intake on most 5.0's. The 351W truck motors EGR gas tapped into the passenger side exhaust manifold.

No... EXTREME case of overkill, lol I wanted grade 2, but all they had was grade 8, and only in a bag of 10. I should have a lifetime supply now

 

[5.0]

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This quote is copy/pasted from a different thread that I didn't want to hijack...

The F-150 4.2 M5OD also had the SBF boltpattern, and from what I have heard the shifter is in a better location for a Ranger.

Did they have a VSS in the tailshaft? <--- If this answer is NO, then disregard all other questions. Does anyone know where the shifter would be located with this transmission? Anywhere close to the stock location? Would it shift like a truck or a car? What years F150 had these?



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[baddad457]

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This quote is copy/pasted from a different thread that I didn't want to hijack...






Did they have a VSS in the tailshaft? <--- If this answer is NO, then disregard all other questions. Does anyone know where the shifter would be located with this transmission? Anywhere close to the stock location? Would it shift like a truck or a car? What years F150 had these?



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Pretty sure it won't have a mech speedo hole in the tail. The shifter is in the same location as the Ranger M5ODR1. These transmissions were first used in the 97 F150's with a 3.8/4.2 V6. Shift like a car or truck ? It's got gear ratios useful for a truck application, if that's what you mean.
(lower first, overdrive 5th)

 

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By shifting I guess I meant the length of the throw, some truck transmissions it seems the shifter has to move a few feet to shift gears My brother has a spare M5R2 from a Super Coupe, but he don't like selling his extra parts

 

[Teddyzee]

I beleive the m5od r2 was availble for many years, but the one with the shifter location that you speak of (stock Ranger) is the 1997 and newer 4.2 F150.
Some quick Google searching couldn't verify the VSS, although '97 and newer F150s did come with two options, VSS in trans, VSS from rearend... I just didn't narrow it down.

The giant shifter throws are likely a function of the length of the handle. With a Ranger-length handle, throws should be similar to a stock Ranger.

 

[5.0]

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I noticed that the timing cover was leaking water where it meets the front of the block. I managed to remove the cover and it looks like a 1 piece rubber gasket on the oil pan.

Questions...

Can I put the timing cover back on using the same oil pan gasket?

The timing chain had about 7/16" of movement on one side while the other side is tight. Is this too loose?

Do I need to loosen the oil pan to get the timing cover back on?

Does any type of sealer go where the timing cover gasket meets the oil pan gasket?

How do I get the harmonic balancer back on? Torque spec? Just hit it with an impact?



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[85_Ranger4x4]

Pretty sure it won't have a mech speedo hole in the tail. The shifter is in the same location as the Ranger M5ODR1. These transmissions were first used in the 97 F150's with a 3.8/4.2 V6. Shift like a car or truck ? It's got gear ratios useful for a truck application, if that's what you mean.
(lower first, overdrive 5th)

My brother's '97 4x4 F-150 still has a cable driven speedo. The only reason I know that is he was ticked he couldn't just reprogram it when he changed tire sizes. My '02 is all electronic, so I wonder if it isn't one of the things that got changed in the '99 facelift (when they also changed the cluster) All '97+ F-150's should have a VSS in the rear if not for the speedo for the ABS.

Something worth checking into, I had never thought about that in reguards to swapability.

My new timing chain was pretty tight, the OEM nylon one was a really close to jumping teeth. For $40 a new Cloyes seemed like cheap insurance. Dunno about your timing cover/pan thing, I did mine without the pan on it and installed the pan after the cover was on.

Line up the keyway and tighten the dampener, if I am reading my homemade book right the bolt is torqued to 30-50 lb-ft. Gonna have to find a buddy to hold the engine from turning over.

 

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My brother's '97 4x4 F-150 still has a cable driven speedo. The only reason I know that is he was ticked he couldn't just reprogram it when he changed tire sizes. My '02 is all electronic, so I wonder if it isn't one of the things that got changed in the '99 facelift (when they also changed the cluster) All '97+ F-150's should have a VSS in the rear if not for the speedo for the ABS.

Something worth checking into, I had never thought about that in reguards to swapability.

My new timing chain was pretty tight, the OEM nylon one Nylon? Mines looks to be a double roller, all metal unit... I'll have to look closer.was a really close to jumping teeth. For $40 a new Cloyes seemed like cheap insurance. Dunno about your timing cover/pan thing, I did mine without the pan on it and installed the pan after the cover was on.

Line up the keyway and tighten the dampener, if I am reading my homemade book right the bolt is torqued to 30-50 lb-ft. Gonna have to find a buddy to hold the engine from turning over. Lol, I'll have to wedge something in the flywheel or find some other way. I have no friends. Seriously.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

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The gears themselves were coated with nylon (or some other kind of plastic) to reduce noise. When that plastic goes away things get baggy, plus chains stretch over time too. I could almost work my old chain off with my fingers. Mine was OEM, not a double roller.

 

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Thanks for the pics and info. In your first pic it's kind of dark, but is that a link belt type of chain?

Here is what I've got... it's not as worn as yours, but I'll replace it anyway.

 

[baddad457]

My brother's '97 4x4 F-150 still has a cable driven speedo. The only reason I know that is he was ticked he couldn't just reprogram it when he changed tire sizes. My '02 is all electronic, so I wonder if it isn't one of the things that got changed in the '99 facelift (when they also changed the cluster) All '97+ F-150's should have a VSS in the rear if not for the speedo for the ABS.


Line up the keyway and tighten the dampener, if I am reading my homemade book right the bolt is torqued to 30-50 lb-ft. Gonna have to find a buddy to hold the engine from turning over.

I thought Ford had completely converted all the speedos to electronic by the mid 90's Funny though that they didn't and you used late 1950's speedo parts 40 years later The damper bolt is torqued to about 90-100 ft/lbs, not 30-50. In any case (5.0) do NOT beat it on with a hammer, use the bolt to cinch it in place.

 

[5.0]

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Thanks for the torque spec, baddad

When cleaning my timing cover, I noticed it's cracked! UGH! I don't think it would leak water, but the crack is shifted... like the water pump may not bolt flat to it anymore.

I bolted the AOD to the block using some grade 8 bolts and high alloy lock washers (similar to the factory bolts on my 460/C6). I'm guessing the lock washers are ok to use?


The cracked cover with a line drawn where the crack is, and some pics of the motor and truck as they are now. The progress is slow, but with 3 babies and working 56 hours a week, that's to be expected

 

[baddad457]

You done right on both bolts and lock washers, but did you use bolts that thread as close to the bottom of the holes as possible ? That timing cover looks nasty, also looks corroded at the upper right hand side too.