Anyone put a M50D R2 with 302 in a ranger

[gobe]

Hello, I have recently started a v8 Ranger swap, I have a 302 EFI that is
now ready for install in my 92 2wd ranger. I have been trying to
decide on a manual trans for my Ranger, I like the format of the
M5od R2 (f-150 2wd five speed). My pickup was orginaly a 2wd 2.3L
manual. So the M5od require less modifing due to hydrolic clutch and
the same nuetral safty switch, speed sensor(vss). I am not sure on
clearance issues due with trans due to larger truck 163 tooth flywheel.
I am useing a dual sump oil pan and would like to know if anyone has
put this trans and setup with 302 in a 2wd ranger. (best motor mount
setup to utilize front engine compartment space for belt driven fan and
radiator tucked under support). I have been thinking if trying a
87-93 covertable mustang mount that has a stud on bottom of mount
that would alow me to locate engine in best space possibe by drilling
holes in frame for studs. Can anyone give me some idea's , or has anyone
put this setup in a ranger before? :stirthepot:

Thanks,
Gobe

[projectnitemare]

The transmission will fit without too many problems. Where you will find issues is with the shifter. It will come out close to the dash, you can fix that by cutting the shifter and rewelding it at a better angle. My question is with a 2wd truck why use a truck transmission. That will take all the sporty factor out of it. If you have a 2wd in my opinion for a 5 speed the T5 is the way to go. You can convert the T5 to use a hydraulic slave and the NSS and VSS are really an issue.

Matt

[gobe]

The reason for the truck trans is it's FREE. I have thought about the
t5 but the free thing keeps getting me. I may switch to a t5 down the road
but when i was looking for the aftermarket slave I was having problems
finding it. I have a t5 50oz flywheel and a clutch. But finding a good
t5 for cheap doesn't seem to happen. Again my meaning of cheap is
the free thing. Another tech I work with has 2 t5's from his road race
car that both have the coutershaft munched off.

[baddad457]

The M5OD2 from the 97-up 4.2 F150's has the shifter where the Ranger's do. Doesn't do you any good if you already have one though from the V8. Just passin it along. The Mustang 'vert mounts seem to be what most use, I used them in my 89. They work better if you bolt em down when you get the motor and transmission situated, then unbolt the motor, pull it out, drill two extra 3/8 holes thru the frame (there were these holes already in my mounts to use as a template) install bolts with lock nuts. Then make four 7/16"NC x 2" long studs from threaded rod and install these in the mount holes in the block. Drop the motor back in on the mounts and use 7/16" lock nuts on the studs. The studs are easier to align to the mount holes than trying to start bolts thru the holes to the block. The mounts tend to spread when you set the engine's weight on them. The backside of the frame under passenger side mount is a bitch to access too. I had to drop the pivot end of the left axle to gain access to the mount nut. That entailed removing the pivot bolt, and dropping the axle with a floor jack under it. With the mounts permanently bolted down and using studs, just makes life easier in motor changes.

[gobe]

Wow I guess i didn't know that a 4.2l was the same bell housing as
a 5.0l. So these 3/8 holes your drilling in the frame, are they for an adaptor
to set the engine back futher? I am guessing that you would remove the
orginal motor mount brackets and just bolt mount directly to frame..

[baddad457]

No, just extra insurance that the mounts won't move around or work loose. I think I may have removed the non threaded stud from them too, Kinda hazy on that,:icon_confused: it's been about 6 years now since I did the swap. Had 5 motor combos in it since:D And two different transmissions. Three sets of headers............. Two fuel tanks............three rearends........... two sets of wheels and tires..................... These things are addictive.............:black_eye:

[seryelle]

so the 4.2L and 5.0L are same bolt pattern how about the 4.6

[baddad457]

4.6 has a different bell pattern. A few of the first ones were the same as the Windsors.

[V8RangerBoy]

The 4.6 is entirely different than a 5.0 in just about every way. I believe the very, very first 4.6's had a pattern that could mate to the SB's (like baddad said), but that's it.

I have the M5OD, but it's in a 4WD rig. I definitely would have used the T5 if I was 2WD, just for the racey car factor. However, the M5OD can hold a helluva lot of power, and I've had alot of fun with mine. I had a slave fail it in at about 10,000 miles after the swap, but other than that no problems. I'd definitely recommend using it.

[projectnitemare]

I will disagree on the M5 holding lots of power. In a a Ranger you will do ok with a decently built V8 only due to the lighter weight of the Ranger. I know of many guys who killed the R2 with a stock 302 in F-150s and Broncos.

Matt

[V8RangerBoy]

I thought 400ft/lbs and 350hp was pretty decent for a light truck tranny like that! This summer we'll see if it'll take 480-500tq and 450hp when I turn the boost up.

[matt32]

thats crazy that ur stock r1 holds up..im debating whether or not to try my stock m5odr1 for a while, see if it holds up, if it doesnt i have an m50dr2 layin around. Mine will be a 4x4 too.

Probably lookin at to get 240-280hp hopefully out of an '89 302 after some mods

[Totalled]

you won't be using an R1 with a V8...

[88mudder]

you won't be using an R1 with a V8...

normal street driving, deffinetly will work. Weekend warrior offroader mild use, will work. Hardcore offroading, no no.

[Totalled]

normal street driving, deffinetly will work. Weekend warrior offroader mild use, will work. Hardcore offroading, no no.

How do you plan on attaching an R1 to a V8?

[CopyKat]

How do you plan on attaching an R1 to a V8?

Deuche bag just tell him the R1 is the V6 mazda and the R2 is the V8 one.

The Ford V6 and V8 don't share the same bellhousing pattern like GM or Dodge :thefinger:

[matt32]

well this truck will see some moderate offroading, and and equal amount of street driving as well, i dont plan to beat the crap out of this truck. Just get me to the spots to mess around...

Totalled- isnt V8RangerBoy's tranny an m50dr1?? cuz he got it to work i dont know cuz its just says m5od, so im just assuming its the r1

[matt32]

thanks CopyKat.....i must have been half asleep or sumthin:idiot:...so when everyone mentions using an m5od on a 302 they are talkin about the r2 then, right?

[projectnitemare]

Exactly, the R1 is for the V6 the R2 is for the V8s. Drop by a F-150 forum they will talk about the M5OD and they mean the R2, Ranger forums it means the R1.

Matt

[matt32]

ahhh gotcha. thanks man....i think i will sleep better at night now:icon_cheers:

just so i understand correctly, the m50d-r1 will NOT bolt up to a 302

[bobbywalter]

he means r2...



either way, 300 hp and getting it hill climbs...not my first choice running 38 or bigger...

[Totalled]

Deuche bag just tell him the R1 is the V6 mazda and the R2 is the V8 one.

The Ford V6 and V8 don't share the same bellhousing pattern like GM or Dodge :thefinger:

Hey there cocksnuggler... I was giving the newb a chance to think about it and figure it out. :buttkick:

[projectnitemare]

he means r2...



either way, 300 hp and getting it hill climbs...not my first choice running 38 or bigger...

Not my first choice either. I've seen way too many of them scatter under bone stock fullsizes with 302s and 33 inch tires. Personally I'm not using manual transmissions after the ZF. For my high powered stuff it will be a C6 and mark my words, the AOD will be the next big trans in demand like how people go crazy about a 700R4.

Matt

[bobbywalter]

you couldnt give me a c6.



but aod's.....:headbang:

[302 94ranger]

i am doing a 302 swap in my 94 4x4 right now and wondering the same thing. i have the M50D-R1 trans which i now hear wont work. does anyone have an extra M50D-R2 they want to sell? trans dapt also sells mounts for the 302 swap into a ranger