would you rather have a 5.0V8 or the 2.5 Diesel?

[Hahnsb2]

Cummins 4BT

 

[predator]

I would rather have a V-8, the stuff they have to do these modern diesels to get past emissions is rather scary and makes them very difficult to modifiy.

A 2.3T would be fun to have too.

you dont read diesel power then do you??? this is the exact same thing that things were said when fuel injection came out......theres lots of things that can be done




gimme the diesel any day!!!!

 

[84Ranger4X4]

Diesel.

 

[metalmacguyver]

Do you have a video of this? I would love to see that big ass truck haulin down the drag strip

sorry but no i dont. check out youtube. i guarantee you will find some similar trucks dragging on there.

 

[c_note]

well we use to have a 3500 chevy 454 with an aux propane tank and just run off of the propane. that sucker was great on the ranch!

yes, a bit off the subject but id prefer the diesel.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

All you guys jumping on the diesel bandwagon is funny. People are so in love with diesels thinking the performance is so much better than a gasoline engine simply because it runs on diesel.

The reason the performance is better on modern diesels is because they have direct injection and run huge amounts of turbo boost.

Take a 6.x Liter Gasoline V8, add gasoline direct injection, and then throw a turbo or two on and crank up the boost (to make it "even" with the current diesel engines). Then see what happens. If any of the big three did this (Ford is currently working on a 2.0L I4 and 3.5L V6 with said technology) everyone would quickly forget about diesels being "performance" engines. The two wouldn't even be comparable, the gasoline engine would walk all over the diesel engine in every area of performance.

 

[Hahnsb2]

All you guys jumping on the diesel bandwagon is funny. People are so in love with diesels thinking the performance is so much better than a gasoline engine simply because it runs on diesel.

The reason the performance is better on modern diesels is because they have direct injection and run huge amounts of turbo boost.

Take a 6.x Liter Gasoline V8, add gasoline direct injection, and then throw a turbo or two on and crank up the boost (to make it "even" with the current diesel engines). Then see what happens. If any of the big three did this (Ford is currently working on a 2.0L I4 and 3.5L V6 with said technology) everyone would quickly forget about diesels being "performance" engines. The two wouldn't even be comparable, the gasoline engine would walk all over the diesel engine in every area of performance.

And I'd like to see and I6 gas twin turbo engine laying down nearly 700HP and 1500FT/LBS and still pull 20MPG in a fullsize truck. Ain't happening.

 

[97BlackBetty]

Sevensecondsuv, for me its not all about the performance aspect, its also about the reliability aspect. Sure those 6.something gassers will be making decent numbers but how long are they gonna last. Diesels continually spank gassers in the mileage and longevity fields. And if you want a truck to go fast, sure a high spinning gas engine may be the answer. But if you want a truck that would be a work truck a diesel has much more available torque at a lower rpm and will be reliable.

 

[PaleBlue90]

cummins im dreaming of one of the 4cyl cummins in my ranger....

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

And I'd like to see and I6 gas twin turbo engine laying down nearly 700HP and 1500FT/LBS and still pull 20MPG in a fullsize truck. Ain't happening.

With direct injection and as much boost as the diesel is running yes it would. It would probably make more.

Sevensecondsuv, for me its not all about the performance aspect, its also about the reliability aspect. Sure those 6.something gassers will be making decent numbers but how long are they gonna last. Diesels continually spank gassers in the mileage and longevity fields. And if you want a truck to go fast, sure a high spinning gas engine may be the answer. But if you want a truck that would be a work truck a diesel has much more available torque at a lower rpm and will be reliable.

Again this is not the case. The forthcoming gasoline DI turbo engines are by design and the fact that they are turbocharged, not only "high spinning motors"! They will produce huge amounts of torque across a powerband twice as wide as a diesel. Also, how can you say anything about longetivity of an engine that isn't even in production yet? It could very well end up being even stouter than any diesel engine produced today.

Again, you can't compare a turbocharged direct-injection diesel engine to a naturally aspirated port-injection gasoline engine. Not in terms of HP, Torque, Fuel Economy, etc. etc. etc. That's comparing apples to oranges, even though those two are what's offered in todays pickups. Save your comparisons for 5-10 years, when turbocharged DI gasoline engines are being offered alongside the equivalent diesel engine. You'll probably change your mind.

Now diesels have their place, but that's in tractors and semi's. I can even see the point in a full size heavy duty pickup thats going to live life with 20,000 lbs behind it. But they're not the answer for the Ranger-sized and half-ton trucks. I want to see Ford spend the R&D money on DI turbo Gasoline engines. Apparently they are. Look up the "Explorer America" concept. It has a 2.0L DI turbo gasser making 280 HP / 300 Torque across a wide power band and still getting 25-30 MPG in a 4500 lb brick of an explorer.

 

[LearjetMinako]

I don't care which I get. As long its not another 8 clyinder engine. So folks, V-8 are over rated for consumer use. Use it when you need it, but 90% of the time, its just wasting gas. Besides, theres too many V-8's as is on the road today. Also, Gasoline tech is about max out. Just as EFI replaced Carbs. Direct EFI will replace EFI. And alternative fuels will ultimately replace gasoline in the future.

I vote for a diesel in the 2.0 to 3.5 liters. Or a Direct Fuel Injected Duratech V-6 3.0L or 3.5L.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

you dont read diesel power then do you??? this is the exact same thing that things were said when fuel injection came out......theres lots of things that can be done




gimme the diesel any day!!!!

Nope I don't. If I was going to spend $50-60k on a vehicle to modify it would be something alot faster out of the box than a one ton truck. That is solidly in the price range of a GT-500.

Not to mention diesels are ALOT more expensive to put back together after you do something stupid with them.

For reliablity, usually by 200,000 miles the truck itself is shot, and is well within the relm of a well maintained gas engine.

 

[Hahnsb2]

With direct injection and as much boost as the diesel is running yes it would. It would probably make more.

Sorry, even with direct injection I cant see a gasoline engine taking 50-80PSI of boost like a diesel will, not to mention a diesel is capable of running at VERY wide variety of air/fuel ratios unlike a gasoline engine.

 

[Sevensecondsuv]

Sorry, even with direct injection I cant see a gasoline engine taking 50-80PSI of boost like a diesel will, not to mention a diesel is capable of running at VERY wide variety of air/fuel ratios unlike a gasoline engine.

Yeah, you do have a point. Gasoline has a flash point that must not be reached, unlike diesels where that flash point is your means of ignition.

 

[thegoat4]

With direct injection and as much boost as the diesel is running yes it would. It would probably make more.




Again this is not the case. The forthcoming gasoline DI turbo engines are by design and the fact that they are turbocharged, not only "high spinning motors"! They will produce huge amounts of torque across a powerband twice as wide as a diesel. Also, how can you say anything about longetivity of an engine that isn't even in production yet? It could very well end up being even stouter than any diesel engine produced today.

Again, you can't compare a turbocharged direct-injection diesel engine to a naturally aspirated port-injection gasoline engine. Not in terms of HP, Torque, Fuel Economy, etc. etc. etc. That's comparing apples to oranges, even though those two are what's offered in todays pickups. Save your comparisons for 5-10 years, when turbocharged DI gasoline engines are being offered alongside the equivalent diesel engine. You'll probably change your mind.

Now diesels have their place, but that's in tractors and semi's. I can even see the point in a full size heavy duty pickup thats going to live life with 20,000 lbs behind it. But they're not the answer for the Ranger-sized and half-ton trucks. I want to see Ford spend the R&D money on DI turbo Gasoline engines. Apparently they are. Look up the "Explorer America" concept. It has a 2.0L DI turbo gasser making 280 HP / 300 Torque across a wide power band and still getting 25-30 MPG in a 4500 lb brick of an explorer.

Diesel engins have low RPM bands because they're heavily built. It's not as if they're built that way for style. They need to be heavy to survive huge amounts or torque and high compression ratios. By the time you beef up a gasser to survive huge torque and lots of boost it won't have any more rpm band than a diesel. It'll pretty much be a diesel that uses crappier fuel.

Gallon-per-gallon, diesel fuel contains more chemical energy than gas. A gas motor will never beat a comparable diesel for MPGs.

As far as comparing apples to oranges, you're trying to compare current technology (diesels) with some hypothetical future technology (magic gas motors with lots of boost, lots of torque, lots of RPMs, and maybe even stouter than today's diesels!). THAT's comparing apples to oranges. It's far more useful to compare current technology to current technology. Currently, diesel engines have better economy, better durability, better towing, and way more expensive maintenance. Maybe that'll change, but it hasn't yet.

I'll take a diesel over a gasser any day.