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Are they going under?

Had 3 somewhat close to me abruptly close. Heard they were closing a bunch of them nationwide.

I hope not.
 
seems like a lot of places are shutting down locations that aren’t performing to a certain standard, I get it- it’s business. But theres a lot of stupid stuff going on,like major remodeling of every one, theres 3 wendys in my town. 1 is brand new & the other two were completely tore down & rebuilt. smaller. Im guessing something to due with taxation on square footage. but how long would it take to cost recover a total rebuild just to have lower property tax? no wonder they are in $ trouble.
 
There's a Wendy's in West Lebanon that always seems busy, hopefully they stay open.
 
the newest frosty (salty caramel I think) does taste better than it sounds, I miss the usual peppermint one they have this time of year, I dont know why they dont just have a frosty menu so you could enjoy whatever any time of the year but I suppose they have a machine for each flavor so theres already 3 in each location. a vanilla, a chocolate & whatever seasonal specialty flavor is being marketed.
 
The Wendy's by me is pretty busy. So I would be surprised if it closed. Burger King always seems to be not busy. Arby's is somewhere in between. McDonald's is always busy, no idea why.
 
McDonald's is always busy, no idea why.
Because a lot of people anymore apparently have no sense of taste. They were raised on McSawdust mystery meat burgers and fried pencil eraser mechanically separated chicken neck nuggets. Anything different to them is ”EEEW!”
 
I don’t know anything specifically about Wendy’s, but in my real estate career, I did a lot with Zaxby’s based in Athens, Georgia. I built several as an owners rep, and I’ve consulted with them when their profits flattened out about store 600.

After the lot is graded and the utilities are in at the curb, they hope to have the store running in 131 days, or at least that’s what it was a few years ago with the last one I did. They can’t pay more than about 700,000 for the lot, and construction is about $550,000 with the equipment. Any more than that, and you just can’t sell enough chicken to cover it And they don’t make a nickel until the first sandwich is sold. They loved me because I built one in 97 days.

I learned a lot from sitting in the meetings. Not all fast food is alike. Zaxby’s is in the category of fast food like McDonald’s, but it’s more premium. The average sale per person is about three dollars more than McDonald’s. Wendy’s is also a semi premium compared to McDonald’s.

Even though there are differences, the center of the fast food market is over built and over competitive by a factor of about 3.2. That means there’s 2.2 more restaurants than is needed to feed the community, that is needed to succeed.

If you look at a hotel, a new one in town stays fully booked. They build a second one and it stays fully booked, etc. Then they build one and it doesn’t do well. But it’s not only the last hotel that suffers, it’s all of the hotels because it drives prices down, which drives profits down. Fast food is the same, but with a twist, because some types of meals are more in demand than others.

One other tidbit I picked up is that they plan on a 20 year run. So the sales have to make a profit over 20 years after all expenses. That does not include the land, which is almost always worth more at the end, but any difference in the land sale does not tend to be a significant number in the accounting.

The only other thing I’ll throw in is that the vast majority of stores are franchisees, and not owned by the brand. It’s usually a mix. When I built my first Zaxby’s, I built one for one customer, and then a second for him. That store was number 500+ or minus. Now they are in the 900s. They will no longer sell an individual franchise. If you don’t want to build 10 within three years, they’re not interested. If a brand builds 100 stores with individual owners, they have to manage 100 people. If they have 100 stores, and each franchisee has 10 stores, they have 10 entities to manage. It’s a different skill set and management style to manage more stores. Zaxby’s made that transition And returned to Expanding profits.

And although I was out of it by the time of Covid, Covid had a tremendous effect on all of that and all of commercial real estate. The whole Covid play had the undesired effect of letting everybody know that they didn’t need to go into the office, nor did they have to eat out. Almost nothing was delivered five years ago, and now it’s typically 30% or more of any food business. That means they need a whole lot less seats. And with the competition, they have to have a fresh appearance, so they rebuild.

My two cents, just FYI.
 
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And an afterthought, a lot of the guys who own multiple franchises, also franchise different brands, especially in rural areas. You might have a Zaxby’s, and a burger joint, and a Chinese food place that are all owned by the same people. The rationale for the owner was a change in society that came in the last 20 or 30 years. When I was a kid, my family would go out to dinner. We would go to the same place together. Now, when the family goes out, the kids go one place, the teenagers go a different place, and the parents go with third place, and they meet up later to go home. Having a variety is a business stability item.
 
No Wendys outside of the city around here.

They closed one in Omaha I know of but when I am there and craving a fast food burger I would rather go to Runza.
 
I admit I haven't read every post after the original and this may have already been brought up, but most of the newer buildings for the fast food franchisees are catered to the drive-thru crowd -- and not the dine-in crowd. Smaller footprint. Less expense up front, etc. Look at the coffee shop footprint. Think Doordash, ubereasts, etc, etc. No one eats in ina fast food joint. If they did, it wouldn't be a fast food joint

To coin a phrase, + The times...they are a changin'"
 
Maybe I'm odd. Actually, there is no maybe about it. But I don't think "dining in vs take-out" is what determines what a fast food restaurant is. Generally, I believe it is the idea of getting fresh food fast and not having wait staff come to your table to take your order and check on you throughout the dining experience. Lost of people dine in at fast food joints. I often do. I don't like waiting until I get home to eat cold food. I want it while it's hot and fresh.


Although I did use Wendy's drive-thru this evening, since I had my dog in the truck.
 
I usually eat in at fast food places due to being so far from town, its a good 30 min for me and thats assuming I dont get caught by a train, fries get cold in under 10 min. Cold fries aint good. At least now most places have you get your own drink inside, I dont like a lot of ice, most of the time its cool enough for me out of the machine. Let them do it and its 50% or less drink, the rest is ice. Maybe im in the minority on this, but I dont need all that ice.
 
Our Wendy's is always packed around here. From the time they open at 6am till close there is always a super long line in the drive-thru. The dining room is always full as well. I ate there last week (which is rare since I work 4 miles from home) and had to sit in the truck since the lunch crowd had the dining room full. Now Dairy Queen and Burger King are always empty. But they also use the te "fast" very lightly haha. Arby's and McDonald's are usually busy during the normal lunch and diner times and Hardee's dominates breakfast in my town. Now the kicker. We have 5 Mexican places and 4 chicken places. Zaxbys is always full. They just closed a Popeyes. KFC and Bojangles usually keep a decent crowd at the normal times.
 
I admit I haven't read every post after the original and this may have already been brought up, but most of the newer buildings for the fast food franchisees are catered to the drive-thru crowd -- and not the dine-in crowd. Smaller footprint. Less expense up front, etc. Look at the coffee shop footprint. Think Doordash, ubereasts, etc, etc. No one eats in ina fast food joint. If they did, it wouldn't be a fast food joint

To coin a phrase, + The times...they are a changin'"
I eat inside of them probably 90% of the time.

Its just eaiser and more comfortable. Its also eaiser to go back up and have them correct your order


Id be really pissed to see wendys go totally under. Besides culvers they are my favorite. The burgers are by far the best of the big 3 (mcds, burger king, wendys)

I will say of the 3 that closed here last week 2 of them i went to somewhat often and they were kinda crappy compared to other ones. One of them was constantly out of french fries...which made no sense.
 

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