Some people piss me off......

[85_Ranger4x4]

We live in the western world, no we don't.

And yes, I used to drive a lifted Ranger, and even a car with a '69 3.5 alloy v8 in it, but at least I'll admit the gluttony behind driving them, and don't drive them anymore, sure I'd love to, but I'm not going to act like doing so isn't a shitty, and pointless thing to do (aside from the pleasure I get from it). As for the shitty emmissions point, I've gotta disagree, not even sure how you could buy and plate a car that won't pass an emissions test, perhaps your emissions laws aren't doing their jobs afterall, and even environmetal considerations aside (which is a common theme in the posts of this thread) let's not forget the EXCESSIVE consumption denial going on, what reason is there to consume a finite resource (one we need for things like ambulances, semi's to ship food, all the basic elements of our society etc) at more than double the necessary rate? Because we fuckin' want to and we can?

Societal Denial for the win!

No emission checks here, if your gas is smoking like a diesel does under a load you might get a fix it ticket.

 

[michowski]

ok bill but now tell me the difference in volcano's vs cars.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

First off, lemme say, i didnt think this was going to spark such an debate.

Second off, the fact of the matter is.....im not going to stop driving\junk a perfectly good truck just because its 30 years old and pollutes the air. A new truck comprable to my dually runs 30K......shieeet....

30K will buy alot of gas.

I do use it also, I pull cars, campers, horse trailers, gravity wagons, tractors, etc with it, and when im not it usually sits here....maybe once a week ill drive it just because its a blast to drive.

Bring her prius, or a insight, or whatever out to the farm....start pushing stuff around and hauling\pulling loads....see how long it lasts.

later,
Dustin

 

[Will]

See how long your F350 will last on a daily hundred-mile round trip commute.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

See how long your F350 will last on a daily hundred-mile round trip commute.

It would last alot longer than a Prius with a loaded trailer.

 

[ryan]

Bring her prius, or a insight, or whatever out to the farm....start pushing stuff around and hauling\pulling loads....see how long it lasts.

later,
Dustin

so the needs you have are different - no big deal. there is an environmental/geopolitical impact to that choice and that's fine. i dont understand why more people who need three quarter and one ton trucks aren't going stronger for biodiesel. i think that's where the middle ground is

personally, i could own something with a big displacement v8 and still not have the carbon load or gross fuel consumption that a prius has, so that factors into the vehicle decisions i make

 

[AllanD]

First off, lemme say, i didnt think this was going to spark such an debate.

Second off, the fact of the matter is.....im not going to stop driving\junk a perfectly good truck just because its 30 years old and pollutes the air. A new truck comprable to my dually runs 30K......shieeet....

30K will buy alot of gas.


later,
Dustin

Dustin,

I think you are out of touch with the times, a replacement comparable to your dually runs more like $40,000-$45,000

And I don't think Diesels are the solution either.
Diesels are a $6000 option that will pay for themselves.... NEVER
so long as Diesel is more expensive than gasoline.

And the simple fact is that Bio-D is more expensive to produce.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

And I don't think Diesels are the solution either.
Diesels are a $6000 option that will pay for themselves.... NEVER
so long as Diesel is more expensive than gasoline.

And the simple fact is that Bio-D is more expensive to produce.

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They get better milage compared to their large displacement gas counterparts when towing. You have to do a fair amount of towing to pay for it but eventually it will pay for itself. If gas engines were more effecient they wouldn't have been phased out in just about everything but cars 40 years ago.

The diesel will hold its value alot better too, we are looking at getting a L7000 (I think that is the right #) Ford grain truck to replace our F-350 for towing, lots of work recently done to it (clutch, brakes, tires, radiator), he wants $500 obo because it is a gasser and nobody wants it. It is going to be a gas sucking hog, but the 8 new tires alone are worth alot more than he wants for it. For no more often than we tow it will be saving alot of money over a diesel just in outright price, but the fuel difference between the two would be ugly if we towed more often

 

[exbass94]

See how long your F350 will last on a daily hundred-mile round trip commute.

Where in his post did it say that he uses his F350 for a hundred-mile commute? He said he only uses it when he actually needs it, plus once a week for fun. That had to be the stupidest post I read all day. Yeah, if he was driving 100 miles a day, then yea, a Prius or Civic would be a more practical choice. Working on a farm or towing/hauling stuff, then a F350 would be more practical. In his case, a big gas-guzzling F350 is MORE PRACTICAL than a Prius.

 

[Bill]

personally, i could own something with a big displacement v8 and still not have the carbon load or gross fuel consumption that a prius has, so that factors into the vehicle decisions i make

Well, tell us what vehicle with a large V8 gets 40+ mpg. Seriously, let us in on the secret. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to have a vehicle with a V8 that gets around 45mpg. Emissions are directly related to the amount of fuel you burn, so an engine that burns less fuel emits less carbon through the tailpipe.

They get better milage compared to their large displacement gas counterparts when towing. You have to do a fair amount of towing to pay for it but eventually it will pay for itself. If gas engines were more effecient they wouldn't have been phased out in just about everything but cars 40 years ago.

We don't have diesels in cars because about 13 states and quite a few local air pollution control districts around the country have tough emission standards that effectively prohibit their use in cars. Large trucks/SUVs do not have the same emission standards as cars/small trucks.

 

[ryan]

Well, tell us what vehicle with a large V8 gets 40+ mpg. Seriously, let us in on the secret. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to have a vehicle with a V8 that gets around 45mpg. Emissions are directly related to the amount of fuel you burn, so an engine that burns less fuel emits less carbon through the tailpipe.

sorry - i didnt make that clear. i live in a walkable area - dont drive to work, etc. so i basically dont drive. i can drive whatever and not have much impact because i drive so minimally. i went 13 months without purchasing fuel

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

We don't have diesels in cars because about 13 states and quite a few local air pollution control districts around the country have tough emission standards that effectively prohibit their use in cars. Large trucks/SUVs do not have the same emission standards as cars/small trucks.

I wasn't talking about cars (although there are diesel VW's around here), my post was primarily directed towards trucks, as was AllanD's.

 

[MrE_Powers]

Sorry, but just because you paid for it, doesn't mean you have a right to excessivly pollute, it may be your rig, it may be your gas (although privatization of such crucial resources is really criminal in and of itself, but it's a hurdle we'll never get over) but it's everyone's environment that your're fucking up and everyone will have to pay for it. The whole "it's my right, I paid for it" is like me saying "I paid for the cola, it's my right to piss all over your yard, and if you don't like shove off".

As for the "It's all I had" excuse, that's b.s. to me, you can get an older civic or vw or anything of that nature for around 500 bucks, and be on the road cheaper than any truck you're driving now, people who drive big trucks do so for two reasons: they need to, or they want to, and the only people who need em are people towing/hauling, plain and simple.

Some people just don't want to face up to the fact that what they're doing IS ultimately selfish, and based on desire rather than utility, and I just love listening to the excuses.

if you feel this way, go and get your self a bike and ride it around and be "friendly" to the environment lead by example. if you want us to try change our polluting ways run for political office and see if more legislation will help.

creation of new fuel efficient cars use alot of oil, in the creation of the materials of that car too. so i just dont see how any of your babel helps

 

[RaginRanger]

I never advocated anyone go buy a new fuel efficient car, just that people re-think what it is they drive, in fact, just about everything I own aside from my computer and my guitar is used (yeah I know computers are terrible for the environment too), all I'm saying is that people need to re-evaluate need vs want, and consider the ramifications of want, at that point it boggles my mind someone is still willing to **** everyone else over by dd'ing an inefficient vehicle for no real advantage (aside from personal vainity) whatsoever. I'm not going to try to "lead by example", people aren't worth leading, too stupid, too much effort to waste in vain, same goes for politics (especially in the U.S)

And yeah, I've already got myself a bike, recycled it out of the trash of the crackhouse 2 doors down, and yes, I ride it most every day, I drive my car maaybe every other day (and that's soon to stop aswell)

Oh and exbass94, before you go calling anyone stupid, maybe you should learn to read, do a little deductive logic, shut your yap, and apologize to will, that is if you can figure out the logic behind his and rusty's posts.

 

[exbass94]

Oh and exbass94, before you go calling anyone stupid, maybe you should learn to read, do a little deductive logic, shut your yap, and apologize to will, that is if you can figure out the logic behind his and rusty's posts.

I understand the logic behind their posts perfectly. Rusty is saying a Prius or similar car is impractical for his needs, and Will is saying an F350 would make an impractical commuter vehicle. I completely agree with both statements, but I felt Will's post was totally irrelevant because neither Rusty nor anyone else said that he was using an F350 for a commuter car. And I never called Will stupid, I said his post was. Which, I'll admit, was still a little harsh but I was already kinda pissed at Will for unreasonably jumping down my throat in the "Hybrid Tahoe" thread and I felt like being harsh. For that, I apologize Will, but that still doesn't make what you did justifiable.