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[92 Danger Ranger]

I have a 92 ford ranger 4x4 with a dana 35 front ttb. my buddy gave me a dana thirty out of his jeep what all do i need to swap it in and run leaf springs other than front spring hanger and rear shackle mounts.

 

[--weezl--]

why wouldn't you just use your d35 as a solid axle? being it's a better axle to begin with...

i don't remember what all's involved, but i think turning the ttb d35 into a solid axle is more or less just welding a few spots, then taking off a few mounting bolts

 

[heptofite]

leave it alone, your d35 is a better axle than a leaf sprung d30 ever could be.

 

[Captain Ledd]

why wouldn't you just use your d35 as a solid axle? being it's a better axle to begin with...

i don't remember what all's involved, but i think turning the ttb d35 into a solid axle is more or less just welding a few spots, then taking off a few mounting bolts

Not even close. Gwaii is the only one to ever have attempted such a feat to my knowledge. And that was with a Dana 50 beam and only because D60 stuff was too $$$ or hard to come by or something, at any rate he used what he had.

Making a D35 into a solid axle is a moderate engineering feat. Far, far beyond a few welds and mounting bolts.

leave it alone, your d35 is a better axle than a leaf sprung d30 ever could be.

Everything has it's advantages and disadvantages. But You're really not going to come out significantly ahead just by switching to a solid axle. Especially a D30. Being it's leaf sprung can I hazzard a guess that it's also low pinion? if it is just walk away, you do have a better axle already in that case.

 

[--weezl--]

Not even close. Gwaii is the only one to ever have attempted such a feat to my knowledge. And that was with a Dana 50 beam and only because D60 stuff was too $$$ or hard to come by or something, at any rate he used what he had.

Making a D35 into a solid axle is a moderate engineering feat. Far, far beyond a few welds and mounting bolts.

i am 99% sure i saw someone on here with a d35 ttb turned solid axle... i remember reading gwaii's d50, on his ranger, but that's not what i'm thinking of... i wish i could remember who it was...

as far as what it would take, my statement of a couple welds, was a guess... but honestly, i can't see it taking that much... a piece of 2x2" square tubing welded on would probably do the trick more or less... but i can't say for sure without having one in front of me

edit:
after looking at pics of the ttb, one could make it into a solid axle quite easily, all you would have to do is cut the mounts for each beam, off of the frame of the donor vehicle, and make brackets, so that those mounts are welded to the adjacent beam, so the bushings and bolts and everything are still there... but instead of the TTB pivoting from the frame, they would pivot from eachother, and based on the fact that they won't pivot on eachother, it would become a solid axle... though there may be a slight issue with this, if the two were to pull apart, i can't quite see the physics in my head at this late hour of the night (430am) but if that were the case, a piece of dom between the mount of one, and the body of the other SHOULD solve that completely... but that shouldn't be an issue regardless...

the key would be making sure that the angle of the beams is set so that you don't have a camber issue

see attached pic, the way i have it described, if it is done properly, the ttb would function as a solid axle, but would be able to be taken apart into 2 pieces, for servicing, or replacing parts, if needed, just make sure the metal used to make those brackets is strong enough!

 

[Captain Ledd]

i am 99% sure i saw someone on here with a d35 ttb turned solid axle... i remember reading gwaii's d50, on his ranger, but that's not what i'm thinking of... i wish i could remember who it was...

as far as what it would take, my statement of a couple welds, was a guess... but honestly, i can't see it taking that much... a piece of 2x2" square tubing welded on would probably do the trick more or less... but i can't say for sure without having one in front of me

So you're telling this poor guy what to do, and you barely have an idea what the TTB even is? Or what it would take? Yes I'm being a bit critical here because you're offering advise to a guy that sounds a bit new himself. I'm not particularly cool with that.

edit:
after looking at pics of the ttb, one could make it into a solid axle quite easily, all you would have to do is cut the mounts for each beam, off of the frame of the donor vehicle, and make brackets, so that those mounts are welded to the adjacent beam, so the bushings and bolts and everything are still there... but instead of the TTB pivoting from the frame, they would pivot from eachother, and based on the fact that they won't pivot on eachother, it would become a solid axle... though there may be a slight issue with this, if the two were to pull apart, i can't quite see the physics in my head at this late hour of the night (430am) but if that were the case, a piece of dom between the mount of one, and the body of the other SHOULD solve that completely... but that shouldn't be an issue regardless...

the key would be making sure that the angle of the beams is set so that you don't have a camber issue

Yeah... you lost me on that one

To the OP:

Technically you might want to run a Trac bar, but it's not 100% necessary. It'll help the steering a bit driving down the highway. Otherwise bolt her in just like it is on the Jeep, leafs are pretty easy. There's lots of threads on tie rod angles and stuff like that, but the rule of thumb is the flatter (more parallel o the ground) they are the better.

Edit: in some cases the "trac bar" also referred to as a "panhard bar". I'm not sure which is the correct term, I think it varies front to rear or from a steering to a non-steering axle, but it's used interchangeably and near as I can tell it's essentially the same thing.

 

[--weezl--]

i should have been more clear, i wasn't offering advice on how to turn a d35 ttb into a solid axle, i was merely thinking outloud, for others to hear, on how something COULD be done, that MIGHT work... i was in no way shape or form saying that yes, it will work

i'll try to find an overhead view of the d35 ttb, and i can draw a better pic of it

 

[bobbywalter]

theres solid d35's

with less then spectacular results.

i know one guy personally who has done it. he is a true out of the box thinker as well...but usually stays firmly within the k.i.s.s. principals.

BUT.


no fawkin way i would dump a ttb 35 for a d30.

dont do it.

 

[--weezl--]

theres solid d35's

with less then spectacular results.

i know one guy personally who has done it. he is a true out of the box thinker as well...but usually stays firmly within the k.i.s.s. principals.

BUT.


no fawkin way i would dump a ttb 35 for a d30.

dont do it.

made that video just for this thread

 

[Surrey]

no fawkin way i would dump a ttb 35 for a d30.

dont do it.

Yeah. D30 is weaker(read sucks balls...), and the d35 is actually really good if set up properly.

 

[BlackBII]

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/Dana30.htm