RCMP, insurance, drugs, and speed limit rant

[Viva*the*Ranger]

Flattery will get you nowhere, doper.

I actually know the guy, and he doesn't do drugs. I haven't even heard him mention drinking once. He's a pretty straight shootn' guy.

 

[wakingtowinter]

I actually know the guy, and he doesn't do drugs. I haven't even heard him mention drinking once. He's a pretty straight shootn' guy.

Thank you, and yeah that's accurate. My preferred substances are water and whey protein.

What part of "The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot put into their bodies" is so hard to understand? I'm glad you're content with giving up basic freedoms though

Do you have kids? If they're teens or older, chances are they've experimented with drugs of one form or another, should they spend a year in jail?

Gun control doesn't work.
The war on drugs doesn't work

Both have exactly the opposite effect of their intention. To deny this is so stupid it's staggering.

I'm not advocating drug use either, I've never once touched an illegal drug nor do I have any desire to but I believe I should have the freedom to do so if I wish.

Conservatives talk the talk when it comes to freedom but never walk the walk.

I'd say that's about right. I don't think it's just stupid; I think it's pathologically delusional. Freedom to choose aside, even if state control of such basic, personal choices was somehow ethically justified, good luck putting that many people in jail for that long! Dave, you're going to have to be a f**king magician (or God) to cram that many people into a jail cell! The U.S. already has the largest prison and jail population in the world, but hey, what's another thirty or forty million? Have fun footing the bill for that one, dude. Oh nevermind, we'll just let the next generation pay for it.

I think if Ranger Dave found out one of his kids smoked a joint, he might do the old "post-natal abortion" on 'em, if he didn't die of a heart attack first. The question that needs to be asked is very, very simple: What is the purpose of government as the Founders intended it to be?

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

What part of "The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot put into their bodies" is so hard to understand? Conservatives talk the talk when it comes to freedom but never walk the walk.

I understand it completely. But the fact remains illicit drug use is illegal. Period.

And another fact is that the sitting president's wife seems to think SHE can dictate what you eat - as a matter of 'national security.'

Freedom is one thing, following the rule of law is another. Can't have freedom without the rule of law - all you'd have is anarchy.

 

[TheTopher]

And another fact is that the sitting president's wife seems to think SHE can dictate what you eat - as a matter of 'national security.'

She's just trying to find a hobby now that somebody else is watching the kids.

She'll discover knitting sooner or later.

 

[Hahnsb2]

I understand it completely. But the fact remains illicit drug use is illegal. Period.

And just because something is a law doesn't make it right, morally or ethically. Period. I think what Jack Kevorkian did was great and I applaud him. Rosa Parks didn't let unethical laws stop her either. I suppose if the government outlaws bacon you'd like to see everyone that eats bacon go to jail too, just because it's the law?



I don't know what you're specifically referring to about Michelle Obama wanting to tell people what they can and can't eat but fawk her or anyone else that seems to think they can.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

Thank you, and yeah that's accurate. My preferred substances are water and whey protein.



I'd say that's about right. I don't think it's just stupid; I think it's pathologically delusional. Freedom to choose aside, even if state control of such basic, personal choices was somehow ethically justified, good luck putting that many people in jail for that long! Dave, you're going to have to be a f**king magician (or God) to cram that many people into a jail cell! The U.S. already has the largest prison and jail population in the world, but hey, what's another thirty or forty million? Have fun footing the bill for that one, dude. Oh nevermind, we'll just let the next generation pay for it.

I think if Ranger Dave found out one of his kids smoked a joint, he might do the old "post-natal abortion" on 'em, if he didn't die of a heart attack first.

Okay. Whatever you say.

 

[TheTopher]

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

That's definitely one possibility. The other scenario is it will cause prices to rise and thus drug related crimes as people start needing more money to support their habits.



There really is no simple solution for this problem.

It's certainly possible that it would cause a price spike and drug related crimes would shoot up, but it would be a short term problem especially if punishment was enforced and we gave up the "country club" prisons we have now. But that is the key - following through on it. Something only done halfway will always remain at the halfway point or revert back to the way it was before. It never moves forward from that point.

And you are right, there is no simple solution. Too many people look for a "miracle" cure for things anymore. There is a solution to everything - it's just not usually simple or easy.

and then the offenders get arrested and let loose because the system is so complicated and the prisons so overcrowded that nobody wants to deal with them.


Arresting somebody doesn't mean much when we don't have an empty prison to put them in, nor the funds to try and incarcerate them. Which is why I think we should start enforcing the death penalty...but that's gonna be for a different thread.


I totally agree with you on dumping congress though.

We do have empty prisons. We have a good number of them. And guess who supports the empty prisons? That's right, us taxpayers. The sticky point is that there is also overcrowding in prisons and no place to put new criminals. See, all of the empty prisons were built with the sole intention of housing FEDERAL criminals because prisons can make a lot of money off of Federal prisoners and it's paid for by the government. But those prisons don't want to take on regular offenders from the local area because they would like to fill up on the ones that make them lots of money. Why do you think there was a push to close "Club Gitmo" and bring those prisoners to the states? Because it would fill up a lot of jail cells in Federal prisons. So it's all about the worshiping of the almighty dollar.

What part of "The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot put into their bodies" is so hard to understand? I'm glad you're content with giving up basic freedoms though

Do you have kids? If they're teens or older, chances are they've experimented with drugs of one form or another, should they spend a year in jail?

Gun control doesn't work.
The war on drugs doesn't work

Both have exactly the opposite effect of their intention. To deny this is so stupid it's staggering.

I'm not advocating drug use either, I've never once touched an illegal drug nor do I have any desire to but I believe I should have the freedom to do so if I wish.

Conservatives talk the talk when it comes to freedom but never walk the walk.

They talk the talk to get votes. They don't walk the walk because they're too busy worrying about public opinion and trying to reach across party lines to the Liberals. They get their arm broken each time they try it, but they still try it.

 

[TheTopher]

We do have empty prisons. We have a good number of them. And guess who supports the empty prisons? That's right, us taxpayers. The sticky point is that there is also overcrowding in prisons and no place to put new criminals. See, all of the empty prisons were built with the sole intention of housing FEDERAL criminals because prisons can make a lot of money off of Federal prisoners and it's paid for by the government. But those prisons don't want to take on regular offenders from the local area because they would like to fill up on the ones that make them lots of money. Why do you think there was a push to close "Club Gitmo" and bring those prisoners to the states? Because it would fill up a lot of jail cells in Federal prisons. So it's all about the worshiping of the almighty dollar.

An interesting point, but isn't a jail they won't use, just as bad as a jail they can't use?




My point is that stiffer penalties are a great idea and it'd be nice if they were enforced, but all that leads to corruption at every level and it seems like it's human nature to gravitate towards it.

Personally, I don't think the government should be telling people it's illegal to do drugs. If you want to spend your weekend coked up by all means go for it, I really don't care what you do to yourself. I do care when you start hurting other people. Perhaps they could ammend the law that only enforced drug laws if you were caught doing something else while on drugs, or in possession of them. A good example of this, is lockpicking tools. Locking is a hobby of mine, if I remember right I had showed you how to get your ranger started. Having my lockpicks is not illegal, however they become illegal if I happen to be caught trespassing or breaking and entering.


I do not think there is any good way to get rid of the corruption unless you take away the incentives for the corruption. Cops can't really be paid off to look away from something that's perfectly legal, can they? The corrupt system full of people that just don't want to deal with the problem is why we got here in the first place. I do agree that prison should not be a walk in the park. But when it boils down to it as you said, everything is run by the almighty dollar. Perhaps if we had extra tax revenue from these people's addictions we could put that added funding towards something else. Perhaps with the extra cash, we could get cops out of speed traps and back protecting the public, where they should be.


Just a few thoughts.

 

[xr75er]

I have to take a drug test to get and keep my job, then all known drug addicts that are on state assistance need to pass the drug screen to get my tax money. Period

 

[Viva*the*Ranger]

I have to take a drug test to get and keep my job, then all known drug addicts that are on state assistance need to pass the drug screen to get my tax money. Period

I couldn't agree more

 

[TheTopher]

I have to take a drug test to get and keep my job, then all known drug addicts that are on state assistance need to pass the drug screen to get my tax money. Period

Absolutely. Its an entirely different thing if they do it with my money.

 

[pontiac_fiero_g]

i smoke copious amounts of pot but im by no means a criminal. ill admit ive stolen before but that was a few years back and i was so broke that i couldnt afford food at the time and so i stole some bologna from the walmart to feed me and mine. when i smoke i dont bother anybody i usually just sit on the couch watch something stupid and eat a little more than i should.

the way i see it keep all DRUGS (pot is not a drug its medication for me) illegal. stiffen the penalty for violating first offense 1 year second time 2 years and 3 ten years per offense (triple that if they are caught commiting a violent crime or personal theft during drug use)

as far as the pot ive got 2 slipped disk in my back and im severly bipolar and out of the 9 billion pills they want me to take pot is the only one that both levels me out and doesnt have terrible side effects (constant neasua, being so zombiefied i dont know where i am, pecker quits working) and its realitivly cheap i can usually get by on about 2oz a month so i usually spend about 250 but my medication from the docors is over 300 a month.