Oil filter relocation

[Teddyzee]

That is a novel idea that has never been mentioned. It would simplify everything.

Definitely would not work in my truck, or likely any 2wd with Mustang motor mounts. I'm using a relocation kit, and the part that bolts to the block is darn close to the steering box.

I'm using the short filter because of where I stashed the filter mount. I could move it anywhere if it was a concern.

 

[baddad457]

Untrue, Ford runs this filter on many small block applications and you do not need to change it twice as often. Here is a link to a application guide. I would run the larger filter if i could, but i belive this is a better option than a restrictive relocator, if you have the room.

http://oilfiltersonline.com/product_details.php?category_id=48&item_id=214

Untrue ? OK, whatever, it's your motor. Restrictive relocator ? Gee, that's strange. I'm running the 90* block fitting and two filters (FL1A's) and my oil pressure is just fine, 70-90 psi cold, 40-70 psi hot

 

[77'cj7]

Yes, theoretically a smaller filter will need to be changed more often. However, oil changes are based on the life of the oil instead of the life of the filter. You can't just double your filter size and wait twice as long to change the oil.
Based on the smaller filter having the applications of a V10 and older small blocks, I would say its fine to use on a modern 5.0.

 

[baddad457]

The oil lasts far longer than a small filter does. A dirty filter clogs up, then the oil bypasses it, letting dirty oil circulate thru the bearings. Diesel trucks go 10-20K between changes. And they routinely go well over a half million miles before rebuilds. They don't do it with small oil filters either. Most have a single large filter, many have more than one filter. The oil doesn't wear out, the additives in it does.

 

[CDW6212R]

The oil lasts far longer than a small filter does. A dirty filter clogs up, then the oil bypasses it, letting dirty oil circulate thru the bearings. Diesel trucks go 10-20K between changes. And they routinely go well over a half million miles before rebuilds. They don't do it with small oil filters either. Most have a single large filter, many have more than one filter. The oil doesn't wear out, the additives in it does.

Those use bypass filtering systems, a bypass filter is very special in that it cleans down to about 2 microns. Regular full flow filters do well to get 15 microns, some only 20-25 microns. Amsoil makes bypass systems that will let you go a year and up to 35k miles on the same oil and full flow filter. The bypass filters are over $35 each, but last twice the interval of the full flow(normal) filters.

You can add a bypass system for about $30 for the cheapest adapter alone, adding the lines and fittings yourself.

 

[baddad457]

Those use bypass filtering systems, a bypass filter is very special in that it cleans down to about 2 microns. Regular full flow filters do well to get 15 microns, some only 20-25 microns. Amsoil makes bypass systems that will let you go a year and up to 35k miles on the same oil and full flow filter. The bypass filters are over $35 each, but last twice the interval of the full flow(normal) filters.

You can add a bypass system for about $30 for the cheapest adapter alone, adding the lines and fittings yourself.

Look up the specs on whatever filter you're using, and it'll tell you if it's got a bypass built into it. Be that as it may, when a filter gets to the point where the oil bypasses the filter media, if it doesn't have a bypass, then the oilpump is forcing the oil thru the dirty media, so either way, it's not beneficial to run a smaller filter past that point. The bigger the filter is, the longer it'll go before reaching that point.

 

[Mr Weber]

Look up the specs on whatever filter you're using, and it'll tell you if it's got a bypass built into it. Be that as it may, when a filter gets to the point where the oil bypasses the filter media, if it doesn't have a bypass, then the oilpump is forcing the oil thru the dirty media, so either way, it's not beneficial to run a smaller filter past that point. The bigger the filter is, the longer it'll go before reaching that point.

I agree with you totally that a larger filter would last longer than a shorter one and i only meant restrictive being that it's just more oil the pump has to push a further distance. For shits and grins,i sent a email to Chris Barker at royal purple about this subject just because i'm curious,lol, he said that all filters on the market are rated for at least 8,000 miles under normal conditions, despite size, and would not be concerned about it at all. So if you change your oil and filter when you are suppose to, where's the problem? I'm just sayin, if both the auto and filter manufacturers have this as a recommended filter i think it is a good alternative, if you have the room for it and or are building on a budget, and I'm not sayin the a relocator is a bad alternative, because it's not.

 

[CDW6212R]

Look up the specs on whatever filter you're using, and it'll tell you if it's got a bypass built into it. Be that as it may, when a filter gets to the point where the oil bypasses the filter media, if it doesn't have a bypass, then the oilpump is forcing the oil thru the dirty media, so either way, it's not beneficial to run a smaller filter past that point. The bigger the filter is, the longer it'll go before reaching that point.

I was speaking about a "bypass filter", not a filter with a bypass. You mentioned diesels and 500k miles. They achieve that by using a "bypass filter", which is extremely special.

A regular full flow filter is supposed to filter all of the oil, until a built in bypass allows oil to skip the filter. A bypass filter has no bypass device in it, the name comes from the fact that 90% of the oil has another path to flow around that filter. In a bypass system, all oil goes through a full flow filter. But there is a built in second path in parallel which allows less than 10% of the oil to go through a special bypass filter.

The Amsoil systems achieve that by simply having two paths in parallel, and the bypass filter has a restrictor built into the inlet. At a glance the hole looks to be about .100" at most in size. The full flow filter is supposed to catch the big debris, and the bypass filter will catch the smallest stuff which goes right through a normal filter.

 

[baddad457]

I agree with you totally that a larger filter would last longer than a shorter one and i only meant restrictive being that it's just more oil the pump has to push a further distance. For shits and grins,i sent a email to Chris Barker at royal purple about this subject just because i'm curious,lol, he said that all filters on the market are rated for at least 8,000 miles under normal conditions, despite size, and would not be concerned about it at all.:

So if that were true, then the smaller filters would pass larger diameter paticles than a larger, if all were rated to last 8000 miles. So where's the benefit of running a smaller filter at longer change intervals ? Other than space limited applications. Sounds to me like Chris just told you what you wanted to hear.

 

[baddad457]

I was speaking about a "bypass filter", not a filter with a bypass. You mentioned diesels and 500k miles. They achieve that by using a "bypass filter", which is extremely special.
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Some do, some don't. Most I've driven in the past few years run a single large filter. That's on Detroits and Cummins. And it's not uncommon for these to go over 500K before an overhaul. Some more, some less.

 

[Mr Weber]

So if that were true, then the smaller filters would pass larger diameter paticles than a larger, if all were rated to last 8000 miles. So where's the benefit of running a smaller filter at longer change intervals ? Other than space limited applications. Sounds to me like Chris just told you what you wanted to hear.

Ok man! Hey, if i run a FRAM EXTEND GUARD filter thats good for 10,000 will i be ok then????? or do i need to run a duel filter relocator like you before it's ok??

 

[baddad457]

You can run whatever you want, it's your engine. You tried making the point that a small filter can go as long as a bigger one without changing, but that simply isn't true. If that's what you want to run, go for it. It's your engine.

 

[Mr Weber]

I never said that, i actually agreed and said that a longer filter would last longer.

 

[solraven]

Looking at those 90° swiveling adapters, it would be cool to bolt straight to the block. Anybody know the threads in the block the banjo bolt for the oil filter adapter is?