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MAF mod interesting tidbit...(long!)


rurouni20xx

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i was reading thru a few books here at the house trying to better edumacate myself and refresh my understanding of efi as i will be attempting the megasquirt system on my project vehicle, and i stumbled across an article in one of my books that i find interesting and think i should share w/ the rest of the readers on MAF sensor modifying. the 3.0 as we all know has a wonderful post that is a flow restriction on its MAF and many of the owners opted to modify the sensor, doing so had great results, but it appears i read up on a drawback according to the author that has run many vehicles on a dyno and seen the end results of doing such modifications on other engines in the past. the book is from autozoo (the only place i can find such resources in paperback w/o guessing at what im ordering is what i need). its called engine management, advanced tuning by greg banish if you wish to look this up yourself. on page 26 in chapter 4 the excerpt reads:

"a common mistake made by many perfomance enthusiasts is to cut out a portion of the MAF to improve total flow. while total flow is increased by doing this, the side effect is a change in the ratio of air across the metering element to total flow, reducing the output of the MAF at any given actual flow rate. the net effect of this is a leaner engine-operation condiion resulting from fuel calculations based on a lower airflow input to the computer. for example, cutting the center divider out a a GM LS1 MAF typically shifts the output down by about 7%. the bigger concern is that this modification does not simply shift output down across the range, as low speed flow demonstrates a more pronounced effect. while many oem systems run a safely rich air/fuel ratio at wide open throttle, leaning out the mix by changing MAF output can lead to knock.
"the problem that many performance enthusiasts encounter is that the oems have not intended the power (and total airflow) of the vehicle to be drastically increased. most oem MAFs are scaled to have the most resolution possible w/in the anticipated range of possible flow requirements. as airflow increases w/ increased power production, we often find that this anticipated max flow can be exceeded. the result is an oem meter that reaches its max output b4 the engine peaks. this is often referred to as a "pegged MAF sensor." due to the limited measurement range and a typically small size, it is common to replace the oem MAF on performance vehicles. aftermarket MAF sensors invariably have a dif output from the original, even if only slightly. the ability to shift out this output upward significantly makes their use almost mandatory on higher output engines. once the oem meter is replaced, it is up to the calibrator to change the tables in the computer to reflect the new flow rates at each output point."

due to my findings i am going to look up a larger sensor or stock sensor for a larger engine for my turbo build. possibly a stock 5.0 sensor or an aftermarket one for a 5.0/5.7 depending on the size of the piping. i want to keep my plumbing the same size from turbo to intercooler to sensors to throttlebody to manifold to keep the flow variables of multisized plumbing to a minimum. food for thought for others that may have done the mod or thinking about doing the mod, i think this tidbit of information should be open to discussion since there are a lot of ppl that have modded their MAFs w/o consequence (that we know of...) im interested to see the responses to tell the truth.
 
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Keep in mind that the stock MAF sensor is optimized for the highest engine efficiency. Any changes that alter the air velocity across the sensor element will screw up the actual air flow measurement accuracy.
 
in a nutshell, exactly. it makes sense, but what i want to know is what do the ppl that have done the mod found on the 3.0 as it seems the injection system appears to have been rich enuff in the first place? or has anybody actually seen negative effects from this mod as the text says?
 
I have done this mod when I did the rest of my intake upgrade. I did not notice any negative side effects. But, I went out tonight and checked my computer to see if I have any codes and a code 186 (I think) came up. I was trying to follow the MIL and trying to decipher(sp) pauses from codes and such. lol. Well, looks like a code 186 would mean either my injector pulse is longer than expected, or that my MAF is lower than expected. Now I'm nervous about installing my headers next weekend.
 
the MAF works by taking a sample (which is a known fraction of the total air flowing into the engine) of the intake airflow and measuring that, then relaying the information to the computer. by modifying the MAF housing, you are changing the ratio of air flowing through the housing to air flowing through the sample tube without telling the computer your doing so. there are ways to "trick" the computer when you modify the MAF housing by also opening up the sample tube, thus bringing the ratio back into stock range. the problem is this technique is hit and miss.

however, the O2 sensors have the final say when it comes to the A/F mixture the engine sees. since any lean condition "should" be picked up by the O2's and corrected, i have to wonder how much of a problem the MAF mod can actually cause :dunno:
 
I find it simply amazing that engineers go to great lengths to design a MAF sensor to accurately measure air flow, and somebody wants to screw it up!!:headbang:
 
however, the O2 sensors have the final say when it comes to the A/F mixture the engine sees. since any lean condition "should" be picked up by the O2's and corrected, i have to wonder how much of a problem the MAF mod can actually cause :dunno:
O2 sensors only have the final say in closed loop (idle, part throttle cruise, etc.). In open loop operation (wide open throttle, warmup, etc.), the MAF input is used exclusively.

You definitely don't want incorrect airflow information going to the PCM in open loop, especially while at WOT.

The MAF Transfer Function has been calibrated in the PCM to match the MAF sensor to the powertrain package. That's why it is risky to blindly modify a MAF or swap a MAF from one vehicle to another or from one engine family to another.
 
Hmmm, this is interesting

I am in no way being sarcastic when I say this, but over at the RPS forums you can find Boss 3.0L and all his experiences with the 3.0L vulcan. This mod being one of them. Maybe leaning out the fuel curve slightly is what gives the engine the extra power. A leaner air/fuel mixture is a hotter and more violent flame front. I've never noticed any detonation or negative side effects to my engine.

What I'm trying to say is, there are a lot of theories out there. I agree with all of you. But maybe a theory is just a theory and thats it. Maybe doing this mod isn't detrimental to the engine and or makes a big enough impact to create negative side effects.
 
Hmmm, this is interesting

I am in no way being sarcastic when I say this, but over at the RPS forums you can find Boss 3.0L and all his experiences with the 3.0L vulcan. This mod being one of them. Maybe leaning out the fuel curve slightly is what gives the engine the extra power. A leaner air/fuel mixture is a hotter and more violent flame front. I've never noticed any detonation or negative side effects to my engine.

What I'm trying to say is, there are a lot of theories out there. I agree with all of you. But maybe a theory is just a theory and thats it. Maybe doing this mod isn't detrimental to the engine and or makes a big enough impact to create negative side effects.

The most power will be achieved at stoich, or a A/F of 14.7, and this is where the PCM tries to set it!!
 
if you change your MAS to one from a nother truck/car. you must match it to the same size injectors, that is also part of the formula

curt

the factory one is good for a factory setup and then some, untill you have heads,cam or blower any gains will be little or none
 
if you change your MAS to one from a nother truck/car. you must match it to the same size injectors, that is also part of the formula

Absolutely WRONG! It's the engine displacement that determines the size of the injectors! Changing to a larger MAF DOES NOT increase the amount of
air the engine is pulling!!! Increasing engine displacement will increase air
volume, and going to forced induction.
 
lambda is defined as 14.7:1 best complete burn, no side emissions correct. however, lean is mean as 15.5:1 at wot creates a hair more power on the dyno but creates less torque and extra heat. in a lot of cars it was also found that 12:1 mixes actually increased horsepower at wot by increasing the fuel to cool the engine components down. that is why in open loop systems the maf measures air and actually increases the fuel slightly as the air velocity steepens, if the velocity at the sensor is shown less than actual, the richening effect lessens, creating a leaner mix at wot throttle and open loop times, including hard acceleration and towing. the closed loop is only used at cruising and idle. the closed loop at cruisiing can be modified to 15.5:1 to lean the mixture and save fuel as you are running constant rpm and you are already overcoming the rest of the restraints on the engine (a/c water pump power steering etc.) the tuner themself has to decide what the vehicle is used for and if the modification is necessary, the performance ppl (me!) want their units closer to the 12:1 range to protect the engine during revs and hard acceleration between 70% and 100% throttle, therefore a proper maf signal is required to maintain this ratio properly.
 
I thought I'd throw my .02 worth the discussion. I did the 3.0 MAF mod about 4 years ago and noticed a small but worthwhile increase in power, and after about 70,000 mi I haven't noticed any negative effects at all. About all I can say is don't knock it until you've tried it.
 
I think that write-up is too much for nothing. I think everyone knows the proper way to do a MAF is a bigger one that plugs in and the chip programming to go with it. The end.
 

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