M/Ts or Winter treads?

[bobbywalter]

Unless you know how to drive lol. I haven't ever had a single issue on MT'S yet in rain or winter.

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i hope your joking, if not your either intellectually dishonest, or have never run tires back to back on the same machine in shitty conditions....


if you think your vehicle stops the same in wet weather with a nice set bfg a/t's verse bfg m/t's your soundly mistaken. if you do that you will agree that mt's suck. do they work?....of course. do they work well.....mmmm i would say if they are the silly light mt's, sure....but boggers or swampers...no. they suck...sorry...thats simply not subjective.


since i have been driving the same truck for over a million miles and over two decades i have a hard time thinking its beginners luck. most of those miles wasting mud tires by the way.... but maybe its just luck. its possible i dont know how to drive with mud tires.

and certainly i run m/t's on the road more often then not due to my personal needs, but i would prefer to run a nice all terrain or snow biased, 33 in tire, over the 37's on the pavement any day. and i have 3600 pounds on my front tires.

 

[6.2]

I never said they were the best tires for those conditions. I said knowing how to drive on them you will be fine. Start stopping sooner, etc. I live in Canada and drive 140 miles daily just to get to work. Icy highways, slick city streets, etc. I've been doing this for three years. On winter tires, all terrains, and mud terrains. I much prefer the mud terrains.

I have them siped for better ice traction. Yet they have that super aggressive lug pattern so I won't get stuck on the back roads around town that don't get plowed all winter.

I'll never go back to all terrains or any other tire on my truck. I know how to drive, have over 500,000 miles under my belt in 3.5 years, and have had ZERO accidents or issues. I've never even been pulled over.



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[bobbywalter]

I never said they were the best tires for those conditions. I said knowing how to drive on them you will be fine. Start stopping sooner, etc. I live in Canada and drive 140 miles daily just to get to work. Icy highways, slick city streets, etc. I've been doing this for three years. On winter tires, all terrains, and mud terrains. I much prefer the mud terrains.

I have them siped for better ice traction. Yet they have that super aggressive lug pattern so I won't get stuck on the back roads around town that don't get plowed all winter.

I'll never go back to all terrains or any other tire on my truck. I know how to drive, have over 500,000 miles under my belt in 3.5 years, and have had ZERO accidents or issues. I've never even been pulled over.



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well....i own many vehicles. thats just one... and obviously your conditions require muds as often do mine. suburbia usa paved roads are much different in winter then compressed pack. generally the traffic conditions are shit etc. in those cases luck runs as a bigger factor then skill.


the fact i have my original front fenders and hood on that particular vehicle is testament enough for me. i have rolled it over a few times....so the roofs fawked up....and i was going 10 under when that happened on the road and the only thing on the road....out in the middle of nowhere...i was too lazy to lock the hubs in.


20 feet is huge in a panic stop. at 50 mph thats about the difference between typical muds and good at's.

close for me right now is 150 one way. in a few weeks it will be 1500....and thats just to go to work. so i know where your at. its frustrating wasting so much life behind the wheel.

 

[6.2]

May be frustrating for you but I love it. I love driving, and I'm good at it. People complain about twenty minute commutes, I love my 3 hour commute. Only thing I don't love is the price of gas. But it is what it is.

Learn how to drive if you roll your truck when you're the only thing in sight. My god man. That's just terrible.

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[bobbywalter]

lmao.....i hoped you would say that

i can say you would have rolled it as well.


and that was 17 years ago or so....i was in my prime then...simple bad judgement. should have had tire chains and 4x4. maybe your would have chained up and went 10 mph...but when you have 150 miles of road to cover thats a 15 hour drive.


i used to like driving. but broken backs end that shit. 26000 on fuel definitely sux ass in a year dont it

 

[6.2]

See, everyone thinks young drivers are bad drivers. Not always the case. Don't mean to sound cocky, but I'm a damn good driver. I've got a sled and a quad to be stupid on. Driving is not something I am stupid with. Unless of course I'm Offroad. Which is something totally different



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[85_Ranger4x4]

My experiance with MT's are that they stop like skis on packed snow. Neither my Dunlop Mud Rovers or Firestone Destination MT's are anything too great. I try to keep it off the roads in winter so it is pretty much a moot point.

I have the Jeep Rubicon pattern BFG MT's on my F-150, for an MT they are pretty good. Probably comparable to a not really great AT. My brother's F-150 with nice Goodyear AT's gets around town and stops noticably better.

Another thing too, the F-150 is a lot heavier than my Ranger but wears similiar sized tires. I am sure that makes a difference too...

For cutting trail, boldly going where nobody has gone before... they are awesome. If I lived in town and did mainly city driving (been there and done that), no way I would touch them. Sure you could get them siped and studded... but you would rarely see the loose fluffy stuff where an MT shines so why bother? I doubt even siped they would be much of a match for a straight up snow tire anyway.

I have had muds on the Ranger since '07 and the F-150 since '09 so I don't really think I am much of a rookie by now...

 

[6.2]

I was honestly surprised how good the siping works.



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[bigmark303]

It just comes down to stopping and turning. An AT tire is the next thing to a snow tire. An MT tire is miles behind siped or not.

My daily driver truck has BFG AT. I can just about put the brake pedal to the floor and stop almost on a dime in every winter situation ive been in with those tires. Tried mud terrains a few times and no way can you stop like an AT tire and turning also becomes an issue at times as lateral stability is not very strong with most MT tires.

The best MT ive run in winter has been the TrXus MT and it did pretty good but I never could get the stopping or turning performance of an AT tire out of it.

I stretch the legs of a few of my other trucks with MTs every so often over the winter and I would not at all want to be driving anywhere near a congested area like Chicago with those trucks. Its not always about you as a driver but other motorists who should not have a license and prove it on the road while putting you in dangerous situations where you need more traction to stop or turn.

 

[6.2]

Maybe you're running then wrong MT'S then. Because my siped hankooks are very comparable to duratracs. Ive run a ton of different tires.

Or maybe you're just a shitty driver.

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[koda6966]

I'm also running the cheapo Nexen Roadian MT's on my Jeep. They have DEEP tread and are studdable, so far I haven't had a better (truck) tire in the snow. I think I paid about 80 bucks each at Walmart, plus mount balance and studding. Can't beat it.

 

[cvar]

This is why all-season or snow tires have lots of siping, and made of softer rubber:

In the lab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tc3VIDQvh0
On the road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elP_34ltdWI

OTOH, I've not been stuck with my BFG AT, even in deep snow. Further up north, I found snow tires (all 4) perform WAY better on a car, and definitely worth the investment.

 

[bigmark303]

Maybe you're running then wrong MT'S then. Because my siped hankooks are very comparable to duratracs. Ive run a ton of different tires.

Or maybe you're just a shitty driver.

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I have a set of 31x10.50 duratracs on my 1999 4x4. Those tires are amazing and just about comparable to a true snow tire. You would have to heavily sipe the outside lugs on Hankooks along with the center lugs to try and even be half the tire a Duratrac is on ice/snow.

Its all about safety. You have more snow covered roads with room to stop. The OP lives in Chicago where its immensely congested everywhere and the roads are hard packed ice/snow mixes with traffic traveling within a half car length of each other. Even a siped MT is not going to stop in the distance an AT or better a snow tire will.

Just have to pick the tire that's best for your conditions.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

To be fair guys the Hankook isn't much of an MT, it looks like an attempt at an agressive AT but without any sipping. It doesn't really have the big lugs and big voids like most think of when hearing "MT" either.

The tread is fairly compact, close together and all around doesn't look like it would flow material out the sides like a normal MT.

So there is probably something to it...

I would still rather get an AT and be done with it though.

 

[bobbywalter]

See, everyone thinks young drivers are bad drivers. Not always the case. Don't mean to sound cocky, but I'm a damn good driver. I've got a sled and a quad to be stupid on. Driving is not something I am stupid with. Unless of course I'm Offroad. Which is something totally different



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young drivers? where did you get that from????

you would have to define that.

but this makes sense to me now.

because i would have to know the specific conditions to how a guy turtles a vehicle in the middle of nowhere before i assumed the guy could not drive.

i would assume you are/were late 20's-mid 30's with a 1/2 million under your belt...i had that by 23 or so iirc.....

regardless, if you truly have a 1/2 million you have already covered more road then the vast majority of people ever will driving themselves. so there is no doubt to your abilities based on that. regardless of age....there is attentive talent at work. but that talent wont stop a typical vehicle any faster it it had typical mud tires then a typical snow tire all things being equal mechanically.


but like i have alluded to all along and others like bigmark stated, its not just you. 20 feet is 20 feet. general conditions are just that. with traffic you never know what the hell is going to happen.

not sure what you drive to work everyday, but none of my vehicles have abs(i wish they did often in winter)and they are all modified for things i have to deal with.

i have a healthy respect and controlled fear of the road....for instance driving to florida and back sucks in winter....just south of stinking creek a few years back i just missed riding down the side of the mountain when the southbound lane let loose on 75. poof! gone!!!

i would rather drive across 80 from sac to reno in heavy snowfall then around chicago after 10 inches of wet snow. i have done both several times so i have a pretty well informed opinion on that.

Living in the suburbs of Chicago, IL we see a fair amount of snow but most of it gets plowed away relatively quickly. I'm in the market for new tires and looking into the Goodyear Ultra Grip Winter tires being that I can get them for $300 + shipping. But going that route I would have to buy another set of tires for the summer come spring time. The other route would be getting tires that I look good all year round either Kenda Klever M/Ts or Nexen Roadian M/Ts. I have herd a few reviews about the Klevers on here and they seem to be a fairly decent tire but also the more expensive route. Looking for people's $.02 on the subject. How do the M/Ts work in the snow? I would imagine well because of the lugs in the tread but is it worth not buying winter tires?

I mostly do street driving but occasional take her through some mud or off-roading a little, nothing hardcore because she's mostly stock for now.

thats the questions.....and stated conditons


i own tire sipers and carving tools. because usually i have to have muds.


i wouldnt even consider many light radial mt's mud tires at all. just aggressive all terrains.

but for this guy, i would say they are a waste of money....noisy fast wearing
slippery waste of time.