help please i need help

[adamik1]

i know im getting fuel because i can smell it and i checked the spark plugs and they had gas on them i also flooded it so i had to un flood it. so i know im getting gas and spar. and sorry if im not answering all the questions its hard to remember them all

 

[Duane867]

I agree with that. I don't think we're getting the whole story. He's not answering questions, and the ones he does answer, the answers are vague, not really telling anything. I give up on this one. Could it be some kind of scam? He wants someone to call him. Not me.

It took four days to find out he has spark!

I'm not saying all that. Just that nothing is really adding up with the information being given and the reasoning or lack there of behind it.


For instance...." un flood it".
Please explain how you "un flooded" it ? Pretty vague. I know how it works personally but I am more interested in your knowledge of what you are working with so that we can help you help your self in a better manner.

Have you verified correct timing and the operation of the timing chain yet ?

 

[auto117584]

I'm not saying all that. Just that nothing is really adding up with the information being given and the reasoning or lack there of behind it.

Right. For example, he can't answer the questions because he can't remember them.??? He's very good at misdirection, creating confusion. How can someone not answer a question??? it's not possible, yet he gets me to thinking that it is. Something smells here. I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread. Later!

 

[adamik1]

sorry bout the vague answers. didnt know what to say and i cant remmeber every question you guys ask sorry bout that too i am new to the forums so im not to good to answer. and i want someone to call me so im not going back and forth between the forums and my truck as it is quite annoying. this isnt a scam i am a normal person like you guys who wants his truck to run

 

[Spott]

I'm amazed that he can strip an engine down halfway, but can't check if there's pressure at the fuel rail.

Adam, there's a valve on the fuel rail. It looks just like a tire valve. Press the pin in the center and see if fuel sprays out. Check it before you put the key in, again after you turn the ignition on, and again a third time after you crank the engine a bit.

Also, check the compression at each cylinder. If you overheated it and cracked the head or block, you'll have poor compression and that cylinder won't fire.

 

[adamik1]

i unflooded it by taking out all the spark plugs and cranking it over which will shoot out fuel hence un flooding it. i have a buddy weho works at autozone and he use to be a ford mechanic and he was helping me he gives me stuff to do when it still doesnt start. again if you guys want me to reillerate my problem with the truck i will i understand you guys are confused it is alot of trial and error with my truck so far

 

[adamik1]

also i know how to check the fuel pressure in the rail i already checked that multiple times i am getting spark fuel and air thats not the problem it just wont start. i checked all the pistons and block for cracks when i took it apart there were none. all it does is crank over it doesnt fire at all

 

[kimcrwbr1]

Did you check the timing pull the #1 plug and turn it over with a wrench until you feel compression the set it at TDC. Pull the dist cap and see if the rotor is pointing at the #1 tower on the cap then turn the crank a little in both directions until the rotor turns if you can move the crank very far in both directions then the timing chain needs replaced. If you have fuel and spark check the compression and timing. Just how did you check for spark and is it possible you have water in the fuel system. When the plug is wet take a lighter and see if the fuel burns off of it lf not you will need to address that first. We havent figured out how to burn water yet

 

[adamik1]

yes i did time the rotor and cap i had a mechanic actually do it and it is tdc and it check the spark i took a screw driver struck it into the plug and held it against the engine and it jumped from the screwdriver to engine and its blue so i know its a strong spark.also there is no way for water to be in fuel since i filled the tank prior to taking engine out it was only out for about a week and theres no way water got in there and ill check timing chain thing right now

 

[kimcrwbr1]

Are you sure the firing order is correct if you have a timing light have someone crank on it with with the timing light on it go around and clip the light on each plug wire until you can see the timing mark with the light. Trace that wire back to the dizzy and use that post for the #1 cyl and set the firing order from there I bet your 180 degrees out. If it runs you can keep it there or lift the dizzy and turn it 180 degrees. either way it will work just fine you just have to rember the firing order the next time you change the plug wires.

 

[Spott]

also i know how to check the fuel pressure in the rail i already checked that multiple times

You never said that, you just said there's fuel on the plugs and you smell gas. We can't read your mind, you must tell us what you've done. ALL of what you've done.

i am getting spark fuel and air thats not the problem it just wont start.

There's no such thing as "just won't start". If it won't start, there's a logical reason. Maybe the fuel injectors are damaged from your rebuild. Maybe the valves aren't seating. Maybe the cam's 180 deg out of timing. Maybe there's a cat stuffed in your intake manifold. Maybe the ECC is fried. All we have to do is find the reason, and all the suggestions we've made to you are intended to find or eliminate possible reasons.

i checked all the pistons and block for cracks when i took it apart there were none. all it does is crank over it doesnt fire at all

I didn't ask if the block was cracked...I asked you to check the compression. There's lots of reasons compression can fail, and poor compression will keep your engine from firing in that cylinder.

Do you have a printer? Print the suggestions out, try them, write notes on the same paper, and the RESPOND to those suggestions. When somebody says "Check X" then you should post back something like "I checked X like you said, this is what I did, and this is what I found, I think that's normal, is it?" or "I checked X when we put it back together, and I think it was fine, because it was like this. Is that right?"

If we could get some responses from you, we'd know what you've checked, what you haven't, what problems may remain, and what problems you don't have.

We can't wave a magic wand and say "Poof! Replace your Giz-Widget and your truck will run again!" We can't call you on the phone and talk you through the process, it likely will take many hours of wrench time to zero in on the actual problem.

If you can't communicate back to us effectively, it's probably better to just take it to a shop and pay through the nose to get it fixed.

Spott

 

[Spott]

i unflooded it by taking out all the spark plugs and cranking it over which will shoot out fuel hence un flooding it. i have a buddy weho works at autozone and he use to be a ford mechanic and he was helping me he gives me stuff to do when it still doesnt start. again if you guys want me to reillerate my problem with the truck i will i understand you guys are confused it is alot of trial and error with my truck so far

Wait, you had enough fuel in the cylinders that they were squirting fuel out when you pulled the plugs?

You should NEVER have that much fuel in the cylinders. Your fuel injectors may be damaged and leaking fuel into the bore continuously. Or the wiring to your injectors may be screwed up, so they're getting activation signals continuously. Or the ECC might be damaged and sending bad activation signals.

Or there may be other reasons. But you can't fire a cylinder with that much fuel in it, there's not enough air to burn the fuel.

Correct me if I'm wrong,
Spott

 

[Duane867]

I call BS on this whole thread as well as another on here.
May be some ones alter Ego or something but this isn't real.
There's just no way some one is so inept they cant describe simple procedure, completely make up terminology and method, Had to have a professional mechanic set the engine in time... but can tear down and rebuild an engine.
Sorry but I call BS.

 

[kimcrwbr1]

I`m just guessing the so called mechanic didnt have it timed correct or it skipped time on the chain. It dont matter what the problem is I know I have asked some rather stupid Qs myself as long as he learns and gets it running is all that really matters here.

 

[Duane867]

True that. If it were a real problem.
I am convinced this is all just BS.

The big ticket item pointing to this would be how he "un flooded the engine" based on how a professional mechanic told him to. Pulling the plugs and turning the engine over to blow out unspent fuel. PLEASE. All that could possibly happen is more fuel pouring in the cylinders via the injectors and spraying back out the empty spark plug bung.
You wait. Thats all you do. leave the plugs in, turn the engine over and wait some more.
If its simply flooded. BUT another MAJOR tip off again... its fuel injected. Flooding doesn't happen with out a serious malfunction of the injectors or pressure regulator. But a professional mechanic didn't tell him that when he described the problem to him when the same professional mechanic set the timing and told him to remove the plugs to blow out unspent fuel ?

I call BS. This is a goose chase.