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[kryptonitecb]

Hydro assist is perfectly legal.

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ASSIST is, full hydro is not

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[bobbywalter]

assist is mandatory imo opinion to run bigger then 37's on the street if you like to play hard on the weekend.


i like full hydro because i have broke sector shafts.

and assist makes good...depending on how your setup you could lose the sector and still steer.

verse reg steering like i still have. bust the sector and then your fawked....pure luck i didnt die or kill anybody else.

once you bust the pitman off theres no steering, so i cant see where full hydro is not safe at all. its creepy to drive...but if your rolling on 44's its better then a stock f350 setup. its made to take it if you build it to that end..

properly setup balanced assist is what i am saving for to cover it all

1400 bux not including the truss and welding. well worth it.

 

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

I was pleasantly surprised at how well my truck handled with the 40's without assist.

I've got a PSC ram and a tapped box sitting in the garage waiting to go in....just trying to figure out what pump to run.

 

[bobbywalter]

I was pleasantly surprised at how well my truck handled with the 40's without assist.

I've got a PSC ram and a tapped box sitting in the garage waiting to go in....just trying to figure out what pump to run.

i run 42's and 44's naked not even a dampner...i like to feel if there is a bearing or joint problem. cruising around and most local trail stuff is fine...

but the gumbo 44's beat the fawk out of my ranger box and sector you cant trust them after a hard hit..with the over rail box i wont even put the 44's on it.

 

[kryptonitecb]

assist is mandatory imo opinion to run bigger then 37's on the street if you like to play hard on the weekend.


i like full hydro because i have broke sector shafts.

and assist makes good...depending on how your setup you could lose the sector and still steer.

verse reg steering like i still have. bust the sector and then your fawked....pure luck i didnt die or kill anybody else.

once you bust the pitman off theres no steering, so i cant see where full hydro is not safe at all. its creepy to drive...but if your rolling on 44's its better then a stock f350 setup. its made to take it if you build it to that end..

properly setup balanced assist is what i am saving for to cover it all

1400 bux not including the truss and welding. well worth it.

That is a valid point, however if you are driving on the street and your engine dies with full hydro you also have no steering. The reason I've heard is that with hydro assist there is still a mechanical link in case your engine dies.

Engines die more often than links break.

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[bobbywalter]

That is a valid point, however if you are driving on the street and your engine dies with full hydro you also have no steering. The reason I've heard is that with hydro assist there is still a mechanical link in case your engine dies.

Engines die more often than links break.

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who told you that? i have been working with these systems for a long time.


the system i am referring too that is full hydro still operates with obvious increased effort..

the assist ram setups dont want to steer correctly when the drag link is severed but they try, and they hold the wheel in place and bleed down slow allowing you to stop. configuration is key. safer then just the pitman falling off.


that is why full hydro on huge tires is my preferance.....using iso compliant manufactured parts speced for steering its not a issue at all for me.

with huge tires a properly setup full hydro is much stronger then a 1/2 ton steering gear.

of course theres allot of ways to make it work.

 

[kryptonitecb]

State of Texas says so. By law they require a mechanical linkage for street driven vehicles. I've heard the "hydro still works argument" and I have a hard time believing that full hydro works with a comparable capacity to a mechanical system when the engine or P/S pump fails.

Yeah I know first hand 37's with no power sucks to turn when my P/S pump died. However I still was able to make it home.

And I agree a broken pitman means no steering.

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[bobbywalter]

hard time believing it?


still works arguement?

well, that tells me you have no experience with it.

there is no debate. it works.

its a regular thing, one of my friends lost his engine and had to drag his giant buggy from buck out to the trailer in loon....and hated it...but made it. one time when i was with him he lost his pump and had to strong arm it from spyder back to the trailer in loon. thats out in cali on the rubicon....i have seen it and had to deal with it every place i have went. from chenworth to ultra 4 cars.


if a vehicle is manufactured with iso compliant and engineered steering that is hydro in nature then it can be certified that way.

current vehicles on the market can steer themselves....how the fawk is that safe if it goes haywire? sucks that a car as delivered can now be remotely driven with your ass in it off of a bridge.....lock ya in and run ya off. weeee gone before ya know what happened. think about that for a minute.

i am a hell of alot more concerned with that then properly engineered hydro steering. texas is one of 50 and has the same rules on steering as most i guess...

 

[kryptonitecb]

current vehicles on the market can steer themselves....how the fawk is that safe if it goes haywire? sucks that a car as delivered can now be remotely driven with your ass in it off of a bridge.....lock ya in and run ya off. weeee gone before ya know what happened. think about that for a minute.

Yes, I have no experience with full hydro and have no idea what ISO compliance is. I'm not talking bout trails I'm talking bout the street.

How does an orbital valve push/pull fluid in a manner that can manipulate a ram without back pressure? That's what makes it hard to believe. Part of it is inexperience with the system.

Maybe you can explain how a full hydro system steers and also the above quote. It makes no sense, are you getting angry over an e-discussion? Please let me know so I can stop e-bullying your tender self and get back to discussing facts.

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[bobbywalter]

are you bullying me?


that is something i did not see. i sure as fawk am not offended by you, i work with texans regularly and know plain straight how hard headed the ones i work with are. but damn solid people. most have the Missouri show me syndrome as well. nothing wrong with that.


What is ISO 9001 certification?
ISO 9001 is the internationally recognized standard for Quality Management Systems (QMS) that applies to businesses of any size in any industry. It provides a tried and proven framework for implementing a systematic approach to managing an organization’s quality processes to meet and exceed customer requirements.




and i am talking street use too.

a properly constructed system will have a "tight" and for road use ideally a feedback type steering control valve...i am greatly oversimplifying this and incorrectly representing it on some levels, but for speed and concept to shorten this thread jack will put it like this.

the proper type of steering control unit is like a pump...it displaces x per revolution regardless if its getting force fed and fills the cylinder on whatever side the wheel is getting cranked causing the ram to steer that direction.

just like your brakes you push they push. just like the oil pump on your engine....it turns it pumps

theres looser valves that are less efficient which is what a normal steering gear would be similar too and some types of steering control units that wont work at all with no power due to solo design etc.

buying the proper tool for the job is key.

 

[armadillon]

I tardified this for my own understanding. I hope this translation helps others.

are you bullying me? Only if you wanna be.

It provides a tried and proven framework for implementing a systematic approach to managing an organization’s quality processes to meet and exceed customer requirements.

It provides a way to make a systematic way to manage more ways to meet requirements? Uhh... (By this definition I would assume ISO is like a big universal remote. It makes stuff more betterer by streamlining everything and everybody is cool with using it.)




and i am talking street use too.

a properly constructed system will have a "tight" and for road use ideally a feedback type steering control valve...

...regardless if its getting force fed and fills the cylinder on whatever side the wheel is getting cranked causing the ram to steer that direction.
the pump-like thing works even without power. It's probably awful, but it works.

just like your brakes you push they push. just like the oil pump on your engine....it turns it pumps

If you lose power brakes you still have brakes. If you lose powered hydro you still have hydro. Makes sense...

theres looser valves that are less efficient which is what a normal steering gear would be similar too and some types of steering control units that wont work at all with no power due to solo design etc.

Buy a good pump-thingy that works if you lose power. K.

buying the proper tool for the job is key. No. Hammers work for errything.

Oh and thanks both of you. I would not have ever learned this elsewhere so thanks kryp for being pigheaded and thanks bobby for explaining in ways that made me have to use my brain thing.

 

[kryptonitecb]

To bobby:

I never said it was impossible just that I haven't heard of it working that way. Also I was going off of state law. They are different in each state so it could be legal in yours. My next question is out of curiosity and not continuing an e-debate. How much more/less effort would an unpowered hydro setup have versus an assist or stock steering? Granted if all where without hydraulic power.

To armadillo:

Your welcome

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[motorbill87]

a little late for the conversation but i'm running 37's with NO power steering at all on the road. its not really that bad at all, but i do miss being able to turn the wheel with a finger.

sasquatch you're running air shocks on your rig right? what are your thoughts, or any of y'alls thoughts on running air shocks on the road? my truck wont be on the streets for too much longer but i was looking for an opinion on street driving anyways for the mean-time

 

[UrbanRedneckKid]

This my just be a rumor, but I've heard that airshocks get hot and ruined running them on the street or any high speed application, like desert racing.

 

[motorbill87]

So what about the rear end? What are you going to do for shock mounts, u joints, are you going to link it or stay leaf?