Gas saving tips

[TwoWhels]

Ok now can you tell me more about the Hydrogen Generator System.
It sounds like something I would like to try.
I have access to a machine shop and maybe together we can get some better fuel mileage out of our Rangers.

 

[mhughes165]

That's the thing about finding ways to save fuel. You absolutely have to be creative. I like to tinker with anything that might give a little boost to vehicle performance. When I found this theory on a board I like to visit, I had to try it. When I saw those hydrogen bubbles coming up through the water the first time, I just had to play a little. I grabbed my propane torch and lit one of the bigger bubbles. KABOOM! At least I knew enough to put some soap in the bubbler to prevent a really crazy explosion.

carefull.....makg might come after ya like he did me before for talking about it being possible

 

[red85]

carefull.....mack might come after ya like he did me before for talking about it being possible

Skeptics come in all shapes and sizes. Here's the math and dollars. I used to get 620KM per tank of fuel. Now I'm getting right around 775-790. I built a new reactor core this afternoon and that bad boy makes gas like crazy. I need to upgrade my charging system before I start running it full time. When I tested it, it was drawing very heavily so I'm looking for either a premade control circuit or using a second alternator that strictly powers the generator setup. I have an open spot where the AC compressor is supposed to go and a spare alternator so I may just make a bracket and give that a shot. Pretty tough to be skeptical when I've got more money in my pocket and I'm visiting the gas station a lot less often.

 

[MAKG]

Hmm, I thought you said the current draw was negligible.

I still don't believe it, especially since you're clearly having trouble with it.

 

[krugford]

Skeptics come in all shapes and sizes. Here's the math and dollars. I used to get 620KM per tank of fuel. Now I'm getting right around 775-790. I built a new reactor core this afternoon and that bad boy makes gas like crazy. I need to upgrade my charging system before I start running it full time. When I tested it, it was drawing very heavily so I'm looking for either a premade control circuit or using a second alternator that strictly powers the generator setup. I have an open spot where the AC compressor is supposed to go and a spare alternator so I may just make a bracket and give that a shot. Pretty tough to be skeptical when I've got more money in my pocket and I'm visiting the gas station a lot less often.

Even at 100% efficiency creating and burning this HHO gas, you'd still only break even. There's people on this board who have done it and reported that they saw no increase in mileage. You must be special.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

lets do some simple math here:

hydrogen contains 10KWH of energy per gallon...versus gasolines 36KWH per gallon (a ratio of about 3.5:1). so if we want to produce a 1 point increase in mileage (say, 20 MPG to 21 MPG..thats 5%), you would need to produce .17 gallons of hydrogen per mile.

since miles and/or kilometers per tank mean nothing, ill assume your base number of 620km per tank is at or around 20 miles per gallon. that means your new number, 775 km per tank is over 24 miles per gallon. for this increase, you would need to be producing almost 3 quarters of a gallon of hydrogen per mile.

that doesnt seem like that much of a stretch until you consider the fact that your using massive amounts of energy from your engine to produce this gas. the stock 90 amp alternator is capable of drawing 1.26 KWH in itself...so if we take this out of your 10 KWH per gallon of hydrogen number...we get .24 gallons of hydrogen to travel one mile, or almost a gallon of hydrogen per mile in your case.

not sure if any of this makes sense, but in short...you need to produce a gallon of hydrogen every minute at highway speeds to get your supposed 4MPG boost.

 

[red85]

Hmm, I thought you said the current draw was negligible.

I still don't believe it, especially since you're clearly having trouble with it.

If you look back at what I wrote you'll notice I said it caused a heavier load. Nowhere did I say negligible. You need to read a little more closely I think... I put the amp clamp on it a work today and it draws 50A! I knew it was heavy but holy cow. BTW, Mikey I'm not having any problems with it. I can flip a switch to trigger the relay any time I like. The spare alternator will take care of the draw on the system. This was meant to be an experiment for me and it just so happens that I have saved some money on fuel to boot. Whether you want to believe me or not is really your decision.

 

[Roadkill]

Good work Phil. Some great thinking outside the box (and rocket science manuals to boot). I'll have to chat with you sometime about your system and come down to see it. Could quite possibly show some interesting possibilities.

 

[MAKG]

If you don't know what it draws, you haven't done your homework and you DO NOT understand what it is doing.

For instance, you can't rule out an "accidental repair," or what I suspect is more likely, bad mileage measurements.

 

[red85]

If you don't know what it draws, you haven't done your homework and you DO NOT understand what it is doing.

For instance, you can't rule out an "accidental repair," or what I suspect is more likely, bad mileage measurements.

See siggy.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

See siggy.

i dont get it.

just because you say its true, its true?

 

[Roadkill]

i dont get it.

just because you say its true, its true?

So then just because MAKG says something is true then it's true????

I think NOT!!!

I personally know Phil and have seen what he can and can't do. He may not be able to hit a steel bar with a 2 1/2# sledge, hitting his hand instead. I know when it comes to his trucks he takes them VERY seriously.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

i could care less what MAKG says.

the numbers dont add up...and math doesnt lie.

 

[red85]

i could care less what MAKG says.

the numbers dont add up...and math doesnt lie.

Build one and try it. Since there's really no way to convince you in person I say give it a shot. Spend the 40 bucks in materials and build a PWM circuit to control how much it draws. I'm not trying to bs anyone here and I really don't appreciate being called a liar. Like I said before, build one and see. I was as skeptical as anyone else until I actually invested a little time into this.

 

[Jorley]

lets do some simple math here:

hydrogen contains 10KWH of energy per gallon...versus gasolines 36KWH per gallon (a ratio of about 3.5:1). so if we want to produce a 1 point increase in mileage (say, 20 MPG to 21 MPG..thats 5%), you would need to produce .17 gallons of hydrogen per mile.

since miles and/or kilometers per tank mean nothing, ill assume your base number of 620km per tank is at or around 20 miles per gallon. that means your new number, 775 km per tank is over 24 miles per gallon. for this increase, you would need to be producing almost 3 quarters of a gallon of hydrogen per mile.

that doesnt seem like that much of a stretch until you consider the fact that your using massive amounts of energy from your engine to produce this gas. the stock 90 amp alternator is capable of drawing 1.26 KWH in itself...so if we take this out of your 10 KWH per gallon of hydrogen number...we get .24 gallons of hydrogen to travel one mile, or almost a gallon of hydrogen per mile in your case.

not sure if any of this makes sense, but in short...you need to produce a gallon of hydrogen every minute at highway speeds to get your supposed 4MPG boost.

The space shuttle's main engines use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. That big orange thing that is attached to it is a large oxygen and hydrogen tank. If gasoline is 3.6 times as powerful as hydrogen why don't they use it? If they used gas they would be able to reduce the size of the tank, do away with the foam insulation that keeps falling off and reduce the weight. I don't think your math is wrong, but the plug-in for the hydrogen variable may be off. The hydrogen that is produced would be in a gaseous state and would be stated in cubic feet or liters, not gallons. Gallon is a liquid measure. You may be comparing a cubic foot of hydrogen to a gallon of gas.