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Force the Bubble to POP!


I find it interesting that nobody has mentioned what will happen when our demand drops like a rock.


The prices wil lgo UP as oil companies fight tooth and nail for their profit margin.

What are you smoking PT? I don't understand. Supply up, Demand down, Hoax Over! Price has to correct. Thats basic economics...

Now if your talking about gasoline prices on the other hand I will agree that they will hold the price up as long as they can for there profit margins but It won't go up once the bubble pops. I fear they are planning on making a synthetic shortage out of gasoline BTW. Reports show that we are making less and less, and have less in the ready reserves. Refineries running at less then 80%, reserves down. Something tells me they are going to not make enough gas on purpose as an excuse to hike prices again. 70's full shortage just to make a buck this time might be coming!
 
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What are you smoking PT? I don't understand. Supply up, Demand down, Hoax Over! Price has to correct. Thats basic economics...

They can lower production to keep the price where they want it, and essentially get paid the same for producing/processing less oil. A month or two ago they did that... demand had been slackening so the cut production and gas prices jumped 15 cents the next day...:rolleyes:
 
I find it interesting that nobody has mentioned what will happen when our demand drops like a rock.


The prices wil lgo UP as oil companies fight tooth and nail for their profit margin.

Ever since this hit the oil major oil companies have been reporting record profit margins for almost the last 2 years. They have made so much money right that it's almost incomprehensible. It's time to stop. These guys need to be held accountable.
 
The problem is too widespread to blame on just the oil companies. Yes, they play a HUGE part in the whole thing. However so do refineries, Chinese and Indian demand, speculators, the executive office buddy system, and so on. The only way IMO to save the situation is to come up with an alternative energy source that works or start riding your bike.

Supply and demand has absolutely NOTHING to do with oil prices.
It works like this: More demand = higher prices. Less demand = higher prices.

Personally I just don't care. I fill both trucks up on payday and it lasts me until the next payday. I really just don't drive that much.
 
That would be nice Shran. Unfortunately for many of us the bicycle is not an option because they really don't like to see bicycles on the freeway for 22.5 miles, plus it would take about 2 hrs there and back. In addition I think I'd die trying :lol:
 
Haha, yeah it would kill me too. Rapid City isn't exactly the most friendly to bicyclists and I am really out of shape. I'd be all sweaty by the time I got to work.
 
Back on topic...

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_3_MOLT/idUSENG00043420080703

I love this quote from the Saudi's when asked if they are willing to increase production further...

Asked if the kingdom was prepared to pump still more, he said: "Where is the customer. If there is a customer, the answer is yes. If there is no customer, the answer is no. Somebody has to buy the oil," he said.

As i said they are very frustrated because the supply is exceeding demand and yet they are constantly being asked to pump more oil! Where the **** are they suposed to put it?

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Another good article...

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=8068

That article explains how speculation is driving the oil price and not demand.
 
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Nobody cares about this here?

Call me crazy but I think it's kind of important since this oil bubble could completely destroy our economy all together.

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Ya its interesting to me! I always wondered exactly what a speculator was, and now I know that its nothing more than an investor..
 
Oil closed almost $4.00 down today. Lets hope this is the sign that it will continue to tumble back down to where it should be.
 
Ya its interesting to me! I always wondered exactly what a speculator was, and now I know that its nothing more than an investor..

Honestly I kind of wonder if they are not in with the oil companies somehow. For how they jump at every little shadow in the dark and make the prices go up "because of tensions in the middle east" When wasn't there tensions in the middle east? :icon_confused: I think we should pretty much have that base covered by now...

About 2 weeks ago they were talking about if they would put regulations on oil speculation that it was entirely plausible that the price of oil would fall 50-60%. I haven't seen anything since so I don't know if they found out it wouldn't work or if the people that came up with it were "eleminated" or what what happened.
 
Oh I believe some of the politicians (not to be named) are even in cahoots with the oil companies. Quite a few greedy rich folks think high oil prices are a great thing. I'm sure some of them think they are actually doing the world a favor by making it greener while getting rich. Funny thing here... Making and disposing of batteries is not greener then driving your gas guzzling pig daily. Batteries especially the good ones are not made out of nice stuff and they don't get nicer when depleted.

KEEP CONSERVING! They haven't even seen our impact on demand yet. I want to scare the hell out of them myself and get this bubble pricing BS popped.
 
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Adding more news...

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={D2C42AC7-423A-4437-9FBF-16623F1C69EE}

Recently, Ed Wallace in BusinessWeek fully exposed the current state of affairs with pricing in the oil markets. He says "the Administration says oil's runup is due to shortages, but the evidence points to manipulation":

"High Oil Prices: It's All Speculation"

""The problem you had in California was caused by a combination of things: an unwise regulatory scheme, because they didn't really deregulate. Now they're trapped from unwise regulatory schemes, plus not having addressed the supply side of issues. They've [Californians] obviously created major problems for themselves." -- Vice-President Dick Cheney, May 17, 2001, on PBS's Frontline

"Market fundamentals show us that production has not kept pace with growing demand for oil, resulting in increasing prices and increasingly volatile prices. There is no evidence that we can find that speculators are driving futures prices for oil." -- Secretary of Energy Sam Bodman, June 21, 2008, on MSNBC

Today, while energy prices are crushing American families, I think we'd all benefit by reflecting on what happened with energy in 2001. Seven years ago, Enron was fleecing California, extorting its people for electricity to the tune of billions of dollars. As is true today, some voices in the Administration claimed that supply shortages, not manipulation, formed the core of California's soaring electricity prices. Yet, now that we know the whole story of Enron's criminal manipulations, many menbers of the media have forgotten how in 2001 the White House deflected any blame for California's suddenly stratospheric electrical costs away from their Houston friends.

Likewise, our Energy Secretary has a real problem discussing issues with facts. Like a broken record, he continues to maintain that in no way has speculation had anything to do with today's high oil prices. No, to hear Sam Bodman tell it, they are now and always have been caused by too many buyers chasing too few barrels of oil. But, while that might have been true in 2004, things have changed. And so I give you just one week of news from the oil market. To be more exact, it's the oil news from the seven days preceding our Energy Secretary's comments about supply and demand.

It Was Printed in English "[U.S.] demand for oil over the first five months of the year was off 2.5%* from last year." -- American Petroleum Institute, June 18, 2008, Associated Press Online [*Translation: We are using approximately 525,000 fewer barrels of oil per day.]

"Iran has 15 [oil] supertankers idling in the Persian Gulf capable of storing more than 30 million barrels of crude." -- Bloomberg, June 16, 2008

"Thunder Horse started pumping from a single well on Saturday and on schedule to have the field online by yearend. Thunder Horse alone will increase overall U.S. oil and gas production by 3.6%. Add British Petroleum's Atlantis platform that started up last year, and the boost grows to 6.4%." -- Houston Chronicle, June 16, 2008

"Asian refiners cut West African crude oil imports in June. Asian imports will fall 36%* to 830,000 barrels a day this month from May's 1.3 million barrels per day." -- Bloomberg, June 17, 2008 [*Translation: Another 470,000 barrels a day of mostly light sweet crude rejected by the market.]

Saudi Arabia's Role "Refiners across Asia said on Monday they were not likely to buy more Saudi crude at current prices, highlighting the kingdom's challenge in attempting to contain soaring markets by promising extra barrels. The world's top exporter is set to increase output to 9.7 million barrels per day in July. The extra 200,000 bpd, if confirmed, would come on top of the 300,000 bpd it promised to pump this month." -- Livemint [part of the Wall Street Journal Digital Network], June 16, 2008 [That's another 500,000 barrels of oil apparently not purchased.]

"Daily shipments of North Sea Brent crude will rise 8.6% in July. Tankers are set to load 175,097 barrels a day of Brent crude next month, up from 161,300 barrels a day scheduled for June." -- Bloomberg June 9, 2008

"'[U.S.] Drivers Cut Back by 30 Billion Miles:' Americans drove 22 billion fewer miles from November through April than during the same period in 2006-07, the biggest such drop since the Iranian revolution led to gasoline supply shortages in 1979-1980." -- USA Today, June 22, 2008

"South Korea's May Oil Consumption Falls on High Price" -- Bloomberg, June 20, 2008

"Faced with increasingly severe fuel shortages and the prospect of power failures during the summer air conditioning season, the Chinese government unexpectedly announced a sharp increase* late Thursday night in regulated prices for gasoline, diesel, and electricity." -- The New York Times, June 20, 2008 [*Translation: Gasoline and diesel prices in China increased by 18% immediately to cool demand.]

Excess Oil on the Market Now, just for fun, let's add up all of the excess oil on the market, resulting either from cutbacks in demand, as in the U.S., Asia, or Korea, or from surplus production from oil producers such as Saudi Arabia and in the Gulf of Mexico. Just in the articles I cited, it comes to 1,989,000 barrels of oil a day. That does not include the upcoming Saudi Khursaniyah field that will open in August with another 500,000 barrels per day in production. Some shortage, huh?

And that's just one week of articles. And, to be fair to the oil market and the spirit of this column, the world did lose some production out of Mexico, more out of Nigeria; Russian production is down slightly; and the Thunder Horse platform in the Gulf of Mexico, three years late thanks to hurricanes, is not fully operational as of this writing. But, then again, the surplus 1,989,000 barrels of oil per day we counted did not include what's potentially in those 15 oil supertankers leased by Iran and parked in the Persian Gulf. Now is also a good time to note that on June 20, Saudi Arabia announced that its Khurais oil field would be online by this time next year, and that would contribute another 1.2 million barrels of oil per day to the world market.

"Oil Market Hype" as News Over the past two months in this column, we've discussed how speculation is distorting the oil market [and that of any commodity with an inelastic price, such as foods]. I discussed how the "dark, unregulated" futures look-alike markets allowed overbidding of oil contracts with little if any oversight from regulators. Within a few weeks the Commodities Futures Trading Commission [CFTC] said it would move to bring those "dark, unregulated" markets under its oversight in an attempt to bring order to speculation and bring prices within the guidelines of legitimate supply and demand. And by the way: "Dark and unregulated" was how both the Senate and the House referred to ICE Futures OTC. Those adjectives weren't mine.

[ICE Futures OTC refer to the trades made by Intercontinental Exchange and its subsidiaries in futures and over-the-counter [OTC] commodities, and derivative financial products in the U.S. and around the world.]

Once the cat was out of the bag, internationally the media started discussing speculation as the real reason behind today's high oil prices; major articles ran in the Houston Chronicle and Der Spiegel in Germany. On hearing about the CFTC's intent to rein in speculators in these unregulated markets, a vice-president with a Dallas energy firm wrote me to ask: "Do you feel like the two guys at The Washington Post on the day Nixon resigned?"

The most surprising e-mail came from Chris Cook, a former director of the London Petroleum Exchange -- now ICE Futures Europe. Cook wrote: "I am convinced there has been manipulation of the Brent Complex [the term that defines North Sea Brent crude prices] by ICE members for the last 10 years at least. I think it is quite likely that the Brent forward price is being kept artificially high -- which does require deep pockets and accounts for the continuing barrage of Goldman [Sachs] forecasts and much of the other oil market hype that passes for news."

Think about what Mr. Cook said: "Oil market hype that passes for news." That sums up what you hear and read daily about oil."

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