Coronavirus

[Roert42]

looks like I'm still eating at home for a while. my favorite places are in Michigan.

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You can always sit out in the parking lot and eat

 

[pjtoledo]

You can always sit out in the parking lot and eat

I do on a regular basis at a little known McDonalds about 7 miles from me. there is never a line at that drive thru.

 

[Dirtman]

I do on a regular basis at a little known McDonalds about 7 miles from me. there is never a line at that drive thru.

I knew you loved the McRib...


Wouldn't it be hilarious if they found out the McRib cured coronavirus....

 

[RonD]

McRib does cure Covid, everyone knows this

You just have to wear a mask while eating it................................

 

[pjtoledo]

had 2 of them tonight, also last Sunday.

the wonders of sausage, must be the spices. and maybe the onions.



the pickle slices too!

 

[pjtoledo]

McRib does cure Covid, everyone knows this

You just have to wear a mask while eating it................................

just get some of the sticky sauce all over your face, that'll snare the bad microbes.

 

[MikeG]

The McRib will for sure end the cootie pandemic, if you eat enough of them. We'll all die of something else first!!!!

I don't think they 'supersize' anything in Japan, except the sumo guys. And we wonder why they live longer!

 

[MikeG]

I have read many studies on mask wearing......................but there is simply not enough long term data in the Western World so in those studies it could be argued either way

In Japan mask wearing has been the "norm" for decades, actually almost a century, just after the Spanish Flu of 1918 was when wearing a mask became a cultural "norm", an outward sign you were protecting others and yourself from a possible infection, more "normal" during flu season but some chose to wear a mask year round
In Japanese culture shaking hands and cheek kissing wasn't part of their social customs, so saying mask wearing was all that prevented the spread of a flu is wrong, but looking at their numbers is a real testament that a primarily masked population did make a difference
Japan has 20 deaths from covid per 1 million in population
US has 903 deaths from covid per 1 million in population

Is the difference just masks, of course not, is some of it masks, of course
So whats one life worth...............

I love this kind of comparison, it shows EXACTLY why variables need to be controlled when studying complex issues.

Remember what the CDC has been telling us about risk factors / comorbidity?

The prevalence of obesity in the U.S. was 42.4% in 2017~2018 (source: CDC) Almost HALF of us are obese!!!!!!

In Japan, 2.2% for men and 3.5% for women among Japanese adults aged
20 years or older (source: 2000 National Nutrition Survey conducted in Japan)

34.1 million adults aged 18 years or older—or 13.0% of all US adults—had diabetes (source: CDC)

Among adults, 12.1% had diabetes; 16.3% for men and 9.3% for women (source: nippon.com, quoting Japanese ministry of health).

Heart disease in the U.S: About 18.2 million adults age 20 and older have CAD (about 6.7%) source: CDC

Japan has the lowest coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality rate in the world [1]. - source, international journal of cardiology
49,273 deaths in 2012 in a population of 79,457,000 adults, vs. over half a million in the U.S. with a population of about 330 million.


CLEARLY..... wearing a mask in public, not only protects against the cootie apocalypse, but also obesity, heart disease, diabetes.... et al....

Or, in other words - non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow")


Some version of "if it just saves one life" has been used as an emotional ploy to surrender rights, in countless instances, across the ages. Pretty poor argument!!!!

If I could find a randomized, controlled trial (much less double-blind, placebo controlled) where it showed that wearing a mask had a demonstrable effect on lowering the rate of transmission of ANYTHING, I'd be all over it. Believe me I've been scouring the internet looking for such.

 

[fastpakr]

 

[Dirtman]

I've said it before...

I am fully willing to test the efficacy of masks. Infect me with the flu or corona. Then you stand in front of me while I cough and sneeze in your face. Let me know if you'd prefer I do it with or without a mask on.

 

[MikeG]

I'm trying to get you guys to THINK.

Some folks here are incredibly brilliant at analyzing complex mechanical problems. Isolating every movement, twist/turn, cause/effect, and using solid reasoning and diagnostic tools to THINK through every step of the problem. Isolate each piece, read the codes, TEST, make sure one thing is good before moving on.

Medicine is no different, in that it needs to be methodical, step-by-step, and using the best diagnostic tools, to eliminate variables, and diagnose the result. We're more analog than binary, which makes can make it more difficult than a stubborn ignition system, or a transmission that won't shift. But, with patience, and testing ONE thing at a time, we can get through it.

But... the cootie-apocalypse hits - OHMYGODTHESKYISFALLINGRUNLIKEHELL...... (and wear a mask while doing it). Really?

 

[fastpakr]

I assure you, each of us is fully capable of thinking for themselves.

 

[MikeG]

I've said it before...

I am fully willing to test the efficacy of masks. Infect me with the flu or corona. Then you stand in front of me while I cough and sneeze in your face. Let me know if you'd prefer I do it with or without a mask on.

A sample size of one is not statistically significant

Having said that, in all seriousness, there are enough data points to show that something like ten times the number of people who get symptoms, survive exposure with no effect whatsoever. So, ignoring age and underlying conditions, there's a 90+ % chance that it wouldn't matter one way or the other Actually better odds than "russian roulette" (one out of six), plus I'd have to die from it also, and in the age group I'm in, well under 1% death rate even for those who exhibit symptoms. In other words, a 'real' death rate of maybe a tenth of a percent, at best.

See what I mean?

 

[Dirtman]

Thats not the question posed. I'm trying to get you to think....

Knowing I'm infected, would you rather I sneeze in your face while wearing a mask, or not wearing a mask?

 

[MikeG]

Assessing the risk of < 0.1% chance of dying, at most .... not too worried about it one way or the other.

There's a bunch of other stuff more likely to kill me first.

With a risk level that low, that's the maximum value you can put on a mask (assuming mask is 100% effective in preventing transmission which we already know to be false). So the real difference in wearing a mask, vs. not, is even lower.

Ain't math great