Coronavirus

[JohnnyO]

I look at it this way...1) if I get the 'Rona and die, a lot of my problems will be over and 2) I'm not that lucky.

 

[Curious Hound]

I look at it this way...1) if I get the 'Rona and die, a lot of my problems will be over and 2) I'm not that lucky.

That means you'll get, survive, but wish you died.

 

[JohnnyO]

That means you'll get, survive, but wish you died.

I've had worse. Seriously.

 

[RonD]

The cloth or paper type masks are not for personal protection, although they do offer some protection

Masks are worn to limit the DISTANCE your exhaled breath can travel

The reason Covid spreads so much and so fast is because when a person "gets" enough of the virus in their lungs it turns the lungs in to a Covid virus factory, well BEFORE there are ANY symptoms, if there are any
So a person can be spewing out millions of the Covid viruses in every breath, well before they think they are sick, 3 to 7 days before, 14 days on the outside, which is where the 2 week quarantine comes from
With the more common Flu viruses its 1 to 2 days for symptoms, and symptoms can be pretty bad, so most people feel sick and tend to stay home with the common Flu

Wearing masks limits the distance of the expelled viruses so hopefully its not passed along in high enough numbers to infect someone else walking by or near by
Is it 100% effective, of course not, neither are seat belts or helmets you can still DIE wearing a seat belt, wearing a seat belt just increases odds of survival, so its a good idea, same as wearing a mask

 

[MikeG]

Gosh, too bad there isn't a randomized, controlled scientific study on whether face mask wearing has an effect on virus transmission.....

Oh wait, there is!

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3

Background: Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from...

www.acpjournals.org

 

[fastpakr]

If you're going to present a particular source, it helps to include the other reputable ones that contradict it. Here's a summary of some of the available information.

A New Study Questions Whether Masks Protect Wearers. You Need to Wear Them Anyway. (Published 2020)

Masks prevent people from transmitting the coronavirus to others, scientists now agree. But a new trial failed to document protection from the virus among the wearers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MikeG]

Everything to date BUT the randomized, controlled study is mathematical inference. Unfortunately, without controlling variables it is not possible to say with certainty which of several variables is responsible for the outcome. E.g. if the study reviews a population that does BOTH social distancing, AND mandates masks, then which of the two measures is responsible for the outcome? The answer is, we don't know.

I'm looking for any randomized, controlled studies on 'social distancing' but have yet to find any.

As mask mandates invariably come with the social distancing mandate, then it becomes impossible to separate the two and determine where the greatest effect comes from.

A randomized, controlled study is not out and out proof, but it is a step above guessing, and especially, mixing variables.

Next step above that is double-blind, placebo controlled testing. Even those aren't infallible.

 

[fastpakr]

Blah.

I'm going to place more confidence in those that spend their lives studying this than the random stranger on the internet who thinks he's smarter than they are, and wants to make sure we're aware of it.

 

[MikeG]

Just sharing what's out there, don't attack the data or the source. Read it and draw your own conclusions.

 

[fastpakr]

Right. I'm fine with sharing data.

You're continuously posting -one side- of the data and not anything that disagrees with you.

Don't pretend like you're presenting the truth when you only show the one thing you like.

 

[MikeG]

Other people post the other data, 'fair and balanced' right

 

[RonD]

I have read many studies on mask wearing......................but there is simply not enough long term data in the Western World so in those studies it could be argued either way

In Japan mask wearing has been the "norm" for decades, actually almost a century, just after the Spanish Flu of 1918 was when wearing a mask became a cultural "norm", an outward sign you were protecting others and yourself from a possible infection, more "normal" during flu season but some chose to wear a mask year round
In Japanese culture shaking hands and cheek kissing wasn't part of their social customs, so saying mask wearing was all that prevented the spread of a flu is wrong, but looking at their numbers is a real testament that a primarily masked population did make a difference
Japan has 20 deaths from covid per 1 million in population
US has 903 deaths from covid per 1 million in population

Is the difference just masks, of course not, is some of it masks, of course
So whats one life worth...............

 

[Alan_nc]

It sure doesn't hurt you any to wear a mask and well ......just maybe...... it does do some good

 

[pjtoledo]

I have read many studies on mask wearing......................but there is simply not enough long term data in the Western World so in those studies it could be argued either way

In Japan mask wearing has been the "norm" for decades, actually almost a century, just after the Spanish Flu of 1918 was when wearing a mask became a cultural "norm", an outward sign you were protecting others and yourself from a possible infection, more "normal" during flu season but some chose to wear a mask year round
In Japanese culture shaking hands and cheek kissing wasn't part of their social customs, so saying mask wearing was all that prevented the spread of a flu is wrong, but looking at their numbers is a real testament that a primarily masked population did make a difference
Japan has 20 deaths from covid per 1 million in population
US has 903 deaths from covid per 1 million in population

Is the difference just masks, of course not, is some of it masks, of course
So whats one life worth...............

I was stationed on Okinawa during the 70s. a few people did wear masks.
they also had a FAR MORE healthy society.

another interesting action was when the teenagers were walking to school.
the boys were on one side of the street, girls on the other.

 

[pjtoledo]

looks like I'm still eating at home for a while. my favorite places are in Michigan.

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